Best spinner other than Warne & Murali

[Nate]

More of a medium pacer, than a spinner.

I`d go the other way around. A fast spinner.

 

[King_Ponting]

I`d go the other way around. A fast spinner.

Saracasm mate. should have put the smiley there

 

[C_C]

It was not just restricted to the Champions Trophy- ICC also surveyed English FC games that season and it had bonafide leggies like Mushtaq Ahmed playing .

 

[dinu23]

Kumbles' record speaks for itself. he's the third best.

 

[social]

True, i consider Murali to be a whole league ahead of the rest, followed by Warne in the distance, who is closely followed by Kumble.
I rate Warne superior because he is a bit more versatile overseas. But it is worth keeping in mind that Kumble operates in a mediocre bowling outfit and Warne in an excellent one and without McGrath ( ie, when Aussie attack doesnt look oh-so-untouchable), Warne averages pretty much the same as Kumble - 27+ change. I suspect that if you take away Gillespie as well, there wont be much to seperate between Kumble and Warney apart from Warney being a bit superior overseas.

Unfortunately, it's generally acknowledged that Murali chucks it and also has the benefit of chucking it on doctored wickets.

His record is more often than not disregarded when virtually anyone discusses World X1s etc.

"Warne is a bit more versatile than Kumble overseas?"

"Warne is a bit superior overseas?"

Kumble is very ordinary outside India and does not warrant comparison with Warne.

Kumble averages 35 outside India, Warne 25 world-wide. There is no comparison.

 

[C_C]

Unfortunately, it's generally acknowledged that Murali chucks it and also has the benefit of chucking it on doctored wickets.

Unfortunately, if the so-called 'cricketing populace' engaged a bit more in fact-finding and a bit less of empty rhetoric, they would discover that everybody chucks. That is a categoric fact proven by biomechanists, who are authorities in this matter and refusal to believe that simply underlines the ignorance of the people in concern- it is akin to rejecting a physict's assertion that gavity exists. Murali is also more consistent overseas than Warney.

Kumble is very ordinary outside India and does not warrant comparison with Warne.

Kumble averages 35 outside India, Warne 25 world-wide. There is no comparison.

That is because Warne has McGrath and Gillespie to consistently pry out the top order and expose the middle order with a low total on the board.
Kumble has no such luxury and never had such luxury to the extent Warney has had.
Infact, when McGrath is absent, Warney's figures are pretty much similar to what Kumble posts.

 

[tooextracool]

and one of his most famous deliveries was to Prasad back in 99/00.

the ball that you are referring is probably the one to MSK prasad, the not so famous indian wicket keeper, at adelaide, where he had him bowled around his legs. MSK wasnt much of a player though, and he really did look like he was being set up for that ball for quite a while. unfortunately MSK didnt realise it.

 

[tooextracool]

Unfortunately, it's generally acknowledged that Murali chucks it and also has the benefit of chucking it on doctored wickets.

His record is more often than not disregarded when virtually anyone discusses World X1s etc.

"Warne is a bit more versatile than Kumble overseas?"

"Warne is a bit superior overseas?"

Kumble is very ordinary outside India and does not warrant comparison with Warne.

Kumble averages 35 outside India, Warne 25 world-wide. There is no comparison.

kumble is nothing more than very ordinary when the ball is not turning to be honest. it was universally recognised a couple of years ago that kumble was useless away from india, unfortunately his performances at sydney on another turner and in pakistan have made people think otherwise, even though hes still just as incapable on non-turners as he used to be.

 

[aussie]

That delivery to Laxman was pretty good but not as big a deal really.
Laxman was playing back and got outfoxed all ends up.

no Laxman was playing foward..

 

[Neil Pickup]

Another post involving Warne, Murali and/or chucking and the thread closed button gets hit.

 

[Sanz]

kumble is nothing more than very ordinary when the ball is not turning to be honest. it was universally recognised a couple of years ago that kumble was useless away from india, unfortunately his performances at sydney on another turner and in pakistan have made people think otherwise, even though hes still just as incapable on non-turners as he used to be.

That's why Kumble averages better than Warnie in WI, Pakistan, Zimbabwe. Not to forget that warnie is incapable of succeeding against good players of spin.

 

[Langeveldt]

Mushtaq Ahmed, by miles, can't believe he's not on the poll.. Although in recent times he's taken some tap he's an absolute class act.. I guess he isn't playing international cricket (has he retired?)

 

[aussie]

Another post involving Warne, Murali and/or chucking and the thread closed button gets hit.

why neil would it be that bad???

 

[Langeveldt]

why neil would it be that bad???

because nobody here appreciates Murali's javelin skills..

(Sorry, only joking, it's just that we've been over the same argument again and again and again)

 

[Shane Warne]

why neil would it be that bad???

Power trip.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

That's why Kumble averages better than Warnie in WI, Pakistan, Zimbabwe. Not to forget that warnie is incapable of succeeding against good players of spin.

Oh right. So India are the only team in the world that can play spin, then? Wouldn't that also mean that Kumble has never succeeded against good players of spin? Given that if you include anyone else in the world as being good against spin, Sri Lanka and Pakistan with the wealth of spin bowling in their domestic leagues and experience playing spinners at the top level on turning pitches would be next in like, and Warne has excellent records against both teams.

Warne vs Sri Lanka
Home - 22 @ 32.41
Away - 37 @ 21.46

Warne vs Pakistan
Home - 45 @ 21.56
Away - 45 @ 18.80

So, who else is good at playing spin? Who are these gods of playing spin that Warne has failed against, indicating that he is "incapable of succeeding against good players of spin", and who Kumble of course has thrashed.

 

[dinu23]

average of 32 isn't that good.
warne averages over 47 against india. thats not good.

 

[Blaze]

Not enough rugby fans or observers of British politics here, I see...

Don't worry Voltman.. i'm digging your vibe

 

[Sanz]

Oh right. So India are the only team in the world that can play spin, then? Wouldn't that also mean that Kumble has never succeeded against good players of spin? Given that if you include anyone else in the world as being good against spin, Sri Lanka and Pakistan with the wealth of spin bowling in their domestic leagues and experience playing spinners at the top level on turning pitches would be next in like, and Warne has excellent records against both teams.

Dont start putting words into my mouth, show me where I have said India are the only country that can play spin. I dont understand why you get so excited every time someone says something about an aussie player. Dont get mad at me because Warnie has failed against India. In case you didn't get the topic of this thread, it says 'Best spinner after Murali/Warne' so no one is saying Kumble is better but some aussie fans like you react as if it is blasphemy to talk about Kumble and Warnie in the same post. Infact someone like Anil Kumble who has taken 450+ wickets and won countless test matches for his country to be considered worse than Giles, Vettori, Mcgill etc speaks volumes of the the people who visit this forum.

Warne vs Sri Lanka
Home - 22 @ 32.41
Away - 37 @ 21.46

Actually Warnie and Kumble were averaging almost same against Lanka throughout the 90s when Sri Lanka had great batting line up. Warnie's average got better in the 2000s when most Sri Lankan batsmen(delivs, Ranatung, Mahanama, Gurusinghe etc) retired and Warne feasted against mediocre test batsmen like Dilshan, Chandana,Vaas, Tilekratne,Dharmasena etc. Not to forget the fact that Kumble has played on flat pitches in 1997 in SL where some 1500 runs were scored in two innings of the test match. Is it really a surprise that while most of Kumble's scalps include DeSilva, Mahanama, Ranatunga, Tilekratne, Gurusinhe, Jaysuriya whereas most of Warnie's scalps are Vaas, Tilekratne, Chandana, Dilshan, Jaywardne, Sangakkara.

Warne vs Pakistan
Home - 45 @ 21.56
Away - 45 @ 18.80

Pakistan, good against spin ?? You must be watching a different Pakistani team then.

So, who else is good at playing spin? Who are these gods of playing spin that Warne has failed against, indicating that he is "incapable of succeeding against good players of spin", and who Kumble of course has thrashed.

Suffering from Hysteria ?? We all know Kumble has not been successful away from home, but it is also a fact that Warnie has been incapable of succeeding against good players of (Ind, WI, pre 2000 SL). Also it is worth notable that Kumble's avg. against Aus is better than Warne's avg against India. So Kumble isn't as bad as it is being said on this forum.

 

[Legglancer]

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