Best spinner other than Warne & Murali

[vic_orthdox]

Just as a general comment, it'd be interesting to see how guys like Vaas, Srinath and other pace bowlers who grew up on the sub-continent would have fared if they had've been brought up on bouncier, more pace friendly pitches like in Aus, South Africa or England.

 

[benchmark00]

I dont think he would've been as potent as Kumble.
Infact, i think his stats are overly generous to him, given that he has bashed up on teams that are substandard against spin and done pretty much nothing against teams that are excellent against spin.
The reason i dont think McGill would amount to much is because of his poor control.
A spinner's accuracy is one of his biggest weapons and McGill is just a bit more accurate than Tendulkar. True, he spins the ball a mile and has a very potent googly when he can land it on the proper spot but he hardly ever does and as such, batsmen who are excellent against spin dont find him as much a challenge as they find Kumble.
Kumble on the other hand is extremely accurate, has probably the best top spinner in the game ( atleast before his shoulder surgery) and extremely proficient at subtle variations.

I think the whole 'Macgill is atrociously inaccurate' card gets played far too much. Sure, i'll be the first to say that he isnt as accurate as the others, but people overblow the whole situation of MacGill being inaccurate. If you watch Macgill in the Old Trafford test (if he plays that is) you'll see that its way over hyped. He'll bowl a shocker one every 4 overs or something, which isnt ideal mind you, but on the other hand isnt really terrible. And this has been going on for all of his career.

Anyway, back to my Macroeconomics work

 

[vic_orthdox]

Anyway, back to my Macroeconomics work

Yeah, I'm doing macro this semester too. What a stink

I think that what you're saying is pretty true, as well Benchy. The thing about the bad balls that MacGill bowls is that they are genuine shockers, but I'd say that one in ten picks him up a wicket as well.

And as you pointed out, it's hardly a "four ball" an over, you'll get one every four or so overs (and chances are it'll almost bounce twice before getting to you, or be a waist high fully) but if you start hitting good balls for four, then chances are he's going to be pretty expensive for the day.

 

[C_C]

I think the whole 'Macgill is atrociously inaccurate' card gets played far too much. Sure, i'll be the first to say that he isnt as accurate as the others, but people overblow the whole situation of MacGill being inaccurate. If you watch Macgill in the Old Trafford test (if he plays that is) you'll see that its way over hyped. He'll bowl a shocker one every 4 overs or something, which isnt ideal mind you, but on the other hand isnt really terrible. And this has been going on for all of his career.

Anyway, back to my Macroeconomics work

Well I've watched McGill a lot, starting from that famous series vs WI in 1999 to India vs OZ in 2003/04 and he almost always bowls a freebie every over.

McGill does well against England simply because most english batsmen ( the only one i've seen comfortable against quality spin since Boycott and Gower was Thorpe) arnt good at playing spin. They dont get forward enough, dont have the swift footwork and are mostly playing back ( thus allowing the spin to over accentuate itself) or playing half forward.
Ever wonder why these so-called 'ball of the century' that Warney bowls every couple of years never happens against India or Sri Lanka ? simply because their batsmen arnt as hesitant as West Indian batsmen ( minus Lara) or English batsmen when it comes to facing quality spin and they mostly get to the pitch of the ball or forward enough to negate the spin.

 

[C_C]

Aaah Macro economics.

A semester of hell involving Supply and Demand curves, inflation, monopoly and all that brouhaha.
Here is a bit of advice. Learn thy curves........i dunno how it works in OZ but out here in Canada, they just stick you with a graph that has about 10 different intersecting lines and curves and asks you to calculate a whole lotta stuff.

 

[benchmark00]

Aaah Macro economics.

A semester of hell involving Supply and Demand curves, inflation, monopoly and all that brouhaha.
Here is a bit of advice. Learn thy curves........i dunno how it works in OZ but out here in Canada, they just stick you with a graph that has about 10 different intersecting lines and curves and asks you to calculate a whole lotta stuff.

Here all the supply & demand and monopoly is covered in Microeconomics, and Inflation and stuff is in Macro. Horrible stuff really.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Aaah Macro economics.

A semester of hell involving Supply and Demand curves, inflation, monopoly and all that brouhaha.
Here is a bit of advice. Learn thy curves........i dunno how it works in OZ but out here in Canada, they just stick you with a graph that has about 10 different intersecting lines and curves and asks you to calculate a whole lotta stuff.

Yeah, I'm familiar with all the curves through doing Economics in Year 12, and did Microeconomics in Semester 1. In fact, I find Macro a lot more enjoyable than Micro, and a lot easier too. Which is pretty handy, considering that I have a lecture for it on Friday, and nothing else that day - so I don't really plan on going to that lecture for the whole of semester!

Plus uni night at most of the pubs on Thursday nights also conspires against my attendance. Damn them and their cheap drink ways...

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Well I've watched McGill a lot, starting from that famous series vs WI in 1999 to India vs OZ in 2003/04 and he almost always bowls a freebie every over.

McGill does well against England simply because most english batsmen ( the only one i've seen comfortable against quality spin since Boycott and Gower was Thorpe) arnt good at playing spin. They dont get forward enough, dont have the swift footwork and are mostly playing back ( thus allowing the spin to over accentuate itself) or playing half forward.
Ever wonder why these so-called 'ball of the century' that Warney bowls every couple of years never happens against India or Sri Lanka ? simply because their batsmen arnt as hesitant as West Indian batsmen ( minus Lara) or English batsmen when it comes to facing quality spin and they mostly get to the pitch of the ball or forward enough to negate the spin.

Actually, there was a thread just recently about Warne's greatest deliveries, and plenty of those mentioned were against India and Sri Lanka. Warne bowled two absolute gems to Laxman in October, including one in the first test which is as good as anything he has ever bowled, he got Dilshan with a ripper in Sri Lanka year too, and one of his most famous deliveries was to Prasad back in 99/00.

 

[Dasa]

Which is pretty handy, considering that I have a lecture for it on Friday, and nothing else that day - so I don't really plan on going to that lecture for the whole of semester!

Plus uni night at most of the pubs on Thursday nights also conspires against my attendance. Damn them and their cheap drink ways...

Bah, who goes to lectures? They're useless - hence I haven't been to a lecture yet this year.

 

[C_C]

Yeah, I'm familiar with all the curves through doing Economics in Year 12, and did Microeconomics in Semester 1. In fact, I find Macro a lot more enjoyable than Micro, and a lot easier too. Which is pretty handy, considering that I have a lecture for it on Friday, and nothing else that day - so I don't really plan on going to that lecture for the whole of semester!

Plus uni night at most of the pubs on Thursday nights also conspires against my attendance. Damn them and their cheap drink ways...

I never quiete figured out why Thursdays are cheap drinking nights.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Bah, who goes to lectures? They're useless - hence I haven't been to a lecture yet this year.

That's because you went to Hailebury, and therefore you're a genius.

It's all about finding that balance between working hard and playing up. Any subject result less than 50% indicates you've been playing up far too much, and any subject result above 65% indicates that you've been working far, far too hard.

Hence, in first semester, all my marks were between 53% and 61%

Geez, I really shouldn't be letting this thread go so OT!

 

[vic_orthdox]

I never quiete figured out why Thursdays are cheap drinking nights.

Who am I to complain?

EDIT: I think generally it's just that it's only really uni students who can head out, and stereotypically have less money to spend. So the cheaper the night for them, the more likely they're going to be at your pub.

Or they do it so that you can save some money to spend there on Saturday night as well.

 

[C_C]

Actually, there was a thread just recently about Warne's greatest deliveries, and plenty of those mentioned were against India and Sri Lanka. Warne bowled two absolute gems to Laxman in October, including one in the first test which is as good as anything he has ever bowled, he got Dilshan with a ripper in Sri Lanka year too, and one of his most famous deliveries was to Prasad back in 99/00.

That delivery to Laxman was pretty good but not as big a deal really.
Laxman was playing back and got outfoxed all ends up. Didnt see the Dilshan one and if you mean his delivery to Venkatesh Prasad, thats kinda reaching for it - tailenders have a habit of making good deliveries seem stunning and mediocre deliveries seem good...

 

[C_C]

That's because you went to Hailebury, and therefore you're a genius.

It's all about finding that balance between working hard and playing up. Any subject result less than 50% indicates you've been playing up far too much, and any subject result above 65% indicates that you've been working far, far too hard.

Hence, in first semester, all my marks were between 53% and 61%

Geez, I really shouldn't be letting this thread go so OT!

53% and 61 % ??
Lucky sod.
In SFU they boot you outta engineering if you dont maintain a minimum of 70% average throughout undergrad and 73% for the last 2 semester.

 

[Dasa]

That's because you went to Hailebury, and therefore you're a genius.

It's all about finding that balance between working hard and playing up. Any subject result less than 50% indicates you've been playing up far too much, and any subject result above 65% indicates that you've been working far, far too hard.

Hence, in first semester, all my marks were between 53% and 61%

Geez, I really shouldn't be letting this thread go so OT!

Makes sense. I've found a new balance this semester though - one week on, one week off (still no lectures). It's working so far!

 

[vic_orthdox]

53% and 61 % ??
Lucky sod.
In SFU they boot you outta engineering if you dont maintain a minimum of 70% average throughout undergrad and 73% for the last 2 semester.

Here's a little mathematical equation that I find very relevant in terms of what I aim to get out of university.

Pass = P
P = 50%
50% = Degree

Therefore, P = Degree

But 70% That's darn tight. They'll probably introduce that here soon too - they're already introducing legislation that pretty much makes university a place to rock up, study, and go home - and take any social interaction out of it for us

 

[luckyeddie]

53% and 61 % ??
Lucky sod.
In SFU they boot you outta engineering if you dont maintain a minimum of 70% average throughout undergrad and 73% for the last 2 semester.

That might be down to severity of marking, size or complexity of topic, of course. In the UK, 70% will get you a First Class degree and 50% a pass.

 

[C_C]

In the UK, 70% will get you a First Class degree and 50% a pass.

Actually even in engineering, its a shafting all way round in the UK...i got a few friends who go to college in the UK for engineering and they had to maintain a 65% ave. to be in the program.

Here, some colleges are real tough cookies and some arnt so much..i was in queens for first year- got booted, since pretty much all i did was party and never attended any classes.... but there you had to maintain a 55% ave. to be in the program....SFU is kinda elite when it comes to engineering and technology...alongside Waterloo and U of T.
In these institutions, you drop below 70% and yer history. I did A levels and i applied to SFU and they demanded 3 As and a B to get in !

 

[vic_orthdox]

*whispers*
Talk about your all time greatest thread hi-jacks!

 

[marc71178]

McGill i doubt would've been very successful against teams that know how to play spin ( unlike England), for the simple reason that he is too erratic.
He's been utterly pasted by any team that knows how to combat spin bowling.

He also tends to get pasted when not bowling with 3 top class bowlers...