Ben Stokes vs Ravi Ashwin

[ImpatientLime]

Imran Khan also said Mohammad Sami would be the new Malcolm Marshall.

and viv richards said franklyn rose would be the new andy roberts.

 

[weldone]

Thats not the point. Point is style doesn't always equate to runs and quality. And you are trying to point to the quality of Ashwin as a batsman. Some first class batsmen look really classical and lovely. However they can't make loads of test runs, for instance.

You didn't read the first word of my post that you quoted, lol.

 

[weldone]

And Ashwin doesn't need to make 'loads' of test runs to be better than largely mediocre batsmen with a few notable innings like Kapil and Botham, no.

 

[Pratters]

Ashwin isn't that good a batsman ffs.

 

[Pratters]

Ashwin<<<<<<<<Stokes, Vettori as batsmen.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Imran Khan also said Mohammad Sami would be the new Malcolm Marshall.

dont bring smali into this thread

 

[weldone]

I would argue that Vettori and Ashwin have similar batting skills.

Ashwin<<<<<<<<Stokes, Vettori as batsmen.

Make up your mind.

 

[Pratters]

Mind is made up. If Ashwin can sustain batting like Vettori, he would be at the same level. Else below Vettori despite having similar skills.

 

[OverratedSanity]

And Ashwin doesn't need to make 'loads' of test runs to be better than largely mediocre batsmen with a few notable innings like Kapil and Botham, no.

Ashwin pretty much has zero notable innings so far. All he's done so far is bash a terrible WI team and get some largely inconsequential runs vs England /Australia. Atm, he's so far behind Kapil and Botham it's not even funny.

 

[Shri]

heh.

all of ashwins centuries have come against the west indies.

stokes has hit the following....
- at perth versus johnson and harris
- under grey skies at lords v southee and boult
- and that insane 258 smashathon in south africa

And he also has an unbeaten 91* against England when Anderson was bowling well with Swann and Monty for suppport, and twin fifties in the same test in Sydney against Australia. Its not like those four hundreds are the only things he's accomplished with the bat.

 

[weldone]

Ashwin pretty much has zero notable innings so far. All he's done so far is bash a terrible WI team and get some largely inconsequential runs vs England /Australia. Atm, he's so far behind Kapil and Botham it's not even funny.

For a long time, he had a stupid test captain who wouldn't let him bat at his rightful place (no. 6). It's not easy to play notable innings from no. 8 or 9.

Also, you can't completely discount centuries against WI - they have some decent bowlers and those runs were very important for India in most cases

 

[honestbharani]

And he also has an unbeaten 91* against England when Anderson was bowling well with Swann and Monty for suppport, and twin fifties in the same test in Sydney against Australia. Its not like those four hundreds are the only things he's accomplished with the bat.

And at least 2 of those 4 100s came when the side was in trouble. I can understand if people think Stokes is a better batsman than Ashwin (so do I) but there is some serious overcompensatory under rating of his actual test batting performances here.

 

[Pratters]

For a long time, he had a stupid test captain who wouldn't let him bat at his rightful place (no. 6). It's not easy to play notable innings from no. 8 or 9.

I would argue that he has only recently improved upon his batting and his lower batting position was apt.

 

[Shri]

I can't even translate what this is supposed to mean. Wouldn't crumbling pitches help India?

No, it would make a "spinner" like Moeen Ali as likely to strike as a real spinner like Ashwin so it wouldn't help actually.

 

[Howe_zat]

Can't see a test team that wouldn't pick both

 

[weldone]

I would argue that he has only recently improved upon his batting and his lower batting position was apt.

completely disagree...Jadeja, Saha never did anything in test cricket to warrant a higher batting spot than Ashwin

 

[weldone]

Can't see a test team that wouldn't pick both

Moeen Ali wouldn't come anywhere close to Indian test team

 

[Pratters]

completely disagree...Jadeja, Saha never did anything in test cricket to warrant a higher batting spot than Ashwin

But Ashwin hadn't exactly set the world alight to bat higher than either of them.

 

[Pratters]

Moeen Ali wouldn't come anywhere close to Indian test team

I'll agree with this. Moeen Ali is ****. However, he is still a better batsman than Ashwin.

 

[Black_Warrior]

I think this is a really unfair comparison and thread to be honest. Stokes gets massive advantage on account being part of a team with a weak top order which allows him to bat at 5 or 6 and get enough time to blast double centuries. Ashwin bats at 6 or 7 for the best, most dominant, powerful, aggressive, fearless batting line up of our times, which allows him very little opportunity to bat for long periods and score truck load of runs. If Ashwin played for England, he would bat at 4 after Joe Root.

I think threads like these need to consider these factors before putting up an official comparison like that.