Ben Stokes vs Ravi Ashwin

[Howe_zat]

Moeen Ali wouldn't come anywhere close to Indian test team

referring to thread title, muppet

 

[honestbharani]

But Ashwin hadn't exactly set the world alight to bat higher than either of them.

scoring more test 100s than them and a better average and median scores all not good enough,, obviously

 

[Pratters]

If Dravid was captain, Ashwin would open the batting instead of Dinesh Karthik and make India great again.

 

[honestbharani]

I think this is a really unfair comparison and thread to be honest. Stokes gets massive advantage on account being part of a team with a weak top order which allows him to bat at 5 or 6 and get enough time to blast double centuries. Ashwin bats at 6 or 7 for the best, most dominant, powerful, aggressive, fearless batting line up of our times, which allows him very little opportunity to bat for long periods and score truck load of runs. If Ashwin played for England, he would bat at 4 after Joe Root.

I think threads like these need to consider these factors before putting up an official comparison like that.

playing both sides, I see

 

[anil1405]

Would like a Jadeja vs Jimmy Anderson thread plz

Or

Anderson vs a guy who would've been as good as him had he not given up on fast bowling.

Ranji Trophy Memories: Utpal Chatterjee | Cricket News India & International, Match Schedule, Scores, Report and Ranking: WisdenIndia

"Interestingly, he started out as a paceman, a swing bowler, before switching to left-arm spin after having made his first-class debut because of a back injury, leading to the nickname everyone in Kolkata uses for him: David, after Alan Davidson, the Australian allrounder of the 1950s and 1960s who bowled pace and spin."

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

I think this is a really unfair comparison and thread to be honest. Stokes gets massive advantage on account being part of a team with a weak top order which allows him to bat at 5 or 6 and get enough time to blast double centuries. Ashwin bats at 6 or 7 for the best, most dominant, powerful, aggressive, fearless batting line up of our times, which allows him very little opportunity to bat for long periods and score truck load of runs. If Ashwin played for England, he would bat at 4 after Joe Root.

I think threads like these need to consider these factors before putting up an official comparison like that.

/thread

 

[Pratters]

scoring more test 100s than them and a better average and median scores all not good enough,, obviously

Not enough to bat higher than he did in early stages of his career. The others had their fc pedigree. Would you disagree Ashwin has improved as a batsman in the last 12 months?

 

[weldone]

But Ashwin hadn't exactly set the world alight to bat higher than either of them.

It's very difficult to argue with you - when I use stats you'd tell me to use my eyes, but when I quote Viv Richards praising Ashwin's batting style you'd say that doesn't matter on the scoreboard.

If I reply to this post of yours saying Ashwin has always had a higher batting average than Jadeja and Saha you'd simply say averages don't matter.
If I say Ashwin has a far better technique than those two, you'd say that doesn't matter on the scoreboard.

You shift your allegiance towards 'eyes' or 'stats' depending on which side suits you. In this case, unfortunately, both sides are against you. [same when you bring in Kapil]

 

[Pratters]

It's very difficult to argue with you - when I use stats you'd tell me to use my eyes, but when I quote Viv Richards praising Ashwin's batting style you'd say that doesn't matter on the scoreboard.

If I reply to this post of yours saying Ashwin has always had a higher batting average than Jadeja and Saha you'd simply say averages don't matter.
If I say Ashwin has a far better technique than those two, you'd say that doesn't matter on the scoreboard.

You shift your allegiance towards 'eyes' or 'stats' depending on which side suits you. In this case, unfortunately, both sides are against you. [same when you bring in Kapil]

Thanks.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Or

Anderson vs a guy who would've been as good as him had he not given up on fast bowling.

Ranji Trophy Memories: Utpal Chatterjee | Cricket News India & International, Match Schedule, Scores, Report and Ranking: WisdenIndia

"Interestingly, he started out as a paceman, a swing bowler, before switching to left-arm spin after having made his first-class debut because of a back injury, leading to the nickname everyone in Kolkata uses for him: David, after Alan Davidson, the Australian allrounder of the 1950s and 1960s who bowled pace and spin."

Utpal Chatterjee mention gets a guaranteed like from me.

Didn't know Alan Davidson bowled spin though.

 

[Shri]

If Dravid was captain, Ashwin would open the batting instead of Dinesh Karthik and make India great again.

You do realize your wildly changeable opinions about most things mean your insights lack any real sense of credibility usually, right?

 

[Pratters]

We loved calling Utpalda David.

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's very difficult to argue with you - when I use stats you'd tell me to use my eyes, but when I quote Viv Richards praising Ashwin's batting style you'd say that doesn't matter on the scoreboard.

If I reply to this post of yours saying Ashwin has always had a higher batting average than Jadeja and Saha you'd simply say averages don't matter.
If I say Ashwin has a far better technique than those two, you'd say that doesn't matter on the scoreboard.

You shift your allegiance towards 'eyes' or 'stats' depending on which side suits you. In this case, unfortunately, both sides are against you. [same when you bring in Kapil]

Stats are most definitely not against him when it comes to Kapil ffs.

 

[Pratters]

You do realize your wildly changeable opinions about most things lack any sense of credibility, right?

Uh, not really. You just don't understand. Doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

[Shri]

Ok.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Man, this thread turned to ****, but it turned to **** in a most unexpected manner.

 

[weldone]

You do realize your wildly changeable opinions about most things mean your insights lack any real sense of credibility usually, right?

Haha nice dig

Edit: Lol, can't believe I'm taking Shri's side against a Kolkata boi.

 

[cnerd123]

This thread could have been so much fun if the right posters were here

It was grade A **** posting till two people took over to have a lame debate

Well done prats.

 

[Black_Warrior]

You do realize your wildly changeable opinions about most things mean your insights lack any real sense of credibility usually, right?

 

[Pratters]

Would have been funny if it was true. Usually don't change views a lot.