Ben Stokes vs Ravi Ashwin

[weldone]

Haha Pratters, leave it. You can't embarrass yourself any more in this debate. One moment you say Vettori's batting is comparable to Ashwin's - next moment you say Ashwin's batting <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Vettori's batting. One moment you say Ashwin opening the batting would make India great again, next moment you say Ashwin didn't deserve to bat above Jadeja and Saha.

I mean I like you Pratters, but today hasn't been your day. Take some rest.

 

[Pratters]

Vettori level talent but not as good as Vettori. For that he needs to have a longer career where he can sustain this level of batting. The Dinesh Karthik opening example was a joke alluding to how high you were rating Ashwin.

 

[weldone]

For that he needs to have a longer career where he can sustain this level of batting.

That's precisely why I said Ashwin is 'on his way' to become better than Botham and Kapil. Everyone knows Ashwin doesn't have that kind of longevity yet.

 

[Pratters]

Ashwin because he is 20% better batsman, 200% better bowler and has a 2000% bigger brain.

DWTA.

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[cnerd123]

The sheer insinuation that Vettori had any batting talent to begin with is shocking.

The man had 3 shots and scored most of his runs through edges, hoicks, and by having massive balls of steel.

 

[Pratters]

The sheer insinuation that Vettori had any batting talent to begin with is shocking.

The man had 3 shots and scored most of his runs through edges, hoicks, and by having massive balls of steel.

Vettori 2005-2011:

2869 runs @ 41 with 5 centuries and 15 50s.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Vettori 2005-2011:

2869 runs @ 41 with 5 centuries and 15 50s.

You completely missed the point. He didn't say Vettori wasn't successful. He was referring to his definition of "talent", which was more than fair enough.



anyway this thread moving way too fast for me

Gonna have to call it a day

Make this thread again just prior to the next Ashes and I'll tell you at length why Stokes is absolute **** and Ashwin is a god

 

[harsh.ag]

 

[cnerd123]

Man this thread was so well set up for the glorious return of TJB, but a couple of Kolkatans ruined it.

I'm sorry TJB. Maybe next time.

Man what a shithole Kolkata must be.

 

[Pratters]

You completely missed the point. He didn't say Vettori wasn't successful. He was referring to his definition of "talent", which was more than fair enough.

I know what he meant. However, one can't average 40 in test cricket on just having a couple of strokes and determination. Else more people would be averaging the same.

 

[weldone]

I know what he meant. However, one can't average 40 in test cricket on just having a couple of strokes and determination. Else more people would be averaging the same.

Pratters moving to the stats>eyes territory now...One has to love this.

 

[Pratters]

Pratters moving to the stats>eyes territory now...One has to love this.

You discounted Adil Rashid quoting stats, a point which was negated by the post 91May made about him bowling with 4 pacers. It's tedious to argue like this. Let's just say blindly quoting stats doesn't work. If you have a point and you know what the stats are, it is fine to quote it. Vettori was a fine batsman in the latter stages of his career and showing it with a stat of 40 is fine really.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I know what he meant. However, one can't average 40 in test cricket on just having a couple of strokes and determination. Else more people would be averaging the same.

Border and Graeme Smith averaged ~50 playing just 2-3 shots tbh.

 

[Pratters]

No batsman had just 2-3 strokes except a tail ender perhaps.

 

[harsh.ag]

 

[Pratters]

Border and Graeme Smith averaged ~50 playing just 2-3 shots tbh.

On another note, it sucks how underrated Graeme Smith is usually. He was a cricketing great but a lot of people just rubbish him because of his performances v England at times.

 

[OverratedSanity]

No batsman had just 2-3 strokes except a tail ender perhaps.

Graeme Smith genuinely didn't play many shots at all. Around 80%of his runs came from the tuck off the hips to mid wicket.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Trump and Pence debate like Pratters and weldone in a closed room --- source unknown

 

[cnerd123]

Much love to Harsh for getting this thread back on track.

Ashwin's ODI bowling record vs Ben Stokes

Ashwin ODI batting record vs Ben Stokes

Clearly AshWIN has had the better of Ben Chokes in their encounters so far.

 

[Pratters]

Graeme Smith genuinely didn't play many shots at all. Around 80%of his runs came from the tuck off the hips to mid wicket.

He was fine on the off side and could cut too.