Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

[harsh.ag]

How damn good was Highlander eh

 

[StephenZA]

How damn good was Highlander eh

Ist one, pretty good, it had swords and sean connery.... others were debatable.

 

[harsh.ag]

Ist one, pretty good, it had swords and sean connery.... others were debatable.

What others

 

[S.Kennedy]

Real men cry and let their emotions show. You'd have to be an archaic dinosaur suffering from toxic masculinity to think something contrary.

Although thinking about it Kim Hughes wept like a little girl also, so it is clearly nothing new in Australian culture, men crying.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Kyle Abbot is another one who thinks the idea that nobody else knew in the team is a load of bollocks.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Although thinking about it Kim Hughes wept like a little girl also, so it is clearly nothing new in Australian culture, men crying.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I see you're not familiar with humour

Fixed

 

[Adders]

Fixed

Happens you're right. I re-read your post after NZT posted that.........had to call an ambulance as I laughed so hard my **** fell off.

 

[Burgey]

Kyle Abbot is another one who thinks the idea that nobody else knew in the team is a load of bollocks.

Having played in a side with a twice convicted ball tamperer as skipper, Kyle is in a good position to know.

Has Atherton said much about this whole thing?

 

[S.Kennedy]

Atherton writes for The Times,

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/profile/mike-atherton

 

[Burgey]

Lol. He actually had the front to write about it. Unbelievable.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Atherton's ball-tampering now looks like a minor transgression following crybaby Australia's sandpaper-gate and subsequent lies. Faf Du Plessis's also.

 

[Burgey]

That was just the one time he was caught. he's as bad as Waugh, Taylor, Dravid, Gavaskar and all these other shunts having a say about it.

For a bunch of blokes who love the "back in my day" stuff, they sure aren't big on introspection.

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

Punter thinks the culture is hunky-dory

Criticism of Australia team culture out of proportion - Ponting - ESPNcricinfo

 

[Daemon]

One of the differences between Faf's and Australia's was how the team reacted. In the press conference with Amla the whole team (hilariously) stood behind him to "show solidarity" and a "united front" to defend what was clearly Faf cheating. In Australia's case it appears people were turning each other. Says a lot of about the culture imo.

 

[Tangles]

Punter thinks the culture is hunky-dory

Criticism of Australia team culture out of proportion - Ponting - ESPNcricinfo

Not really a surprise from him though.

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

Not really a surprise from him though.

I know. But I've gotten a lot of "See even Ponting thinks the culture thing has been blown out of proportion" comments on my social feeds. I mean C'mon.Maybe I just need new friends.

OK, Who am I kidding, a new friend.

 

[quincywagstaff]

Punter thinks the culture is hunky-dory

Criticism of Australia team culture out of proportion - Ponting - ESPNcricinfo

This just makes me think that the elevation of Warner to VC has gotten a lot of criticism now but I reckon CA were figuring he would mature as is required by the role as Ponting did.

Easy to forget now but Ponting in the 1995-2001 period got into trouble multiple times off the field, could be abrasive and a hothead on the field and was underachieving in relation to his talent.

But once he was made ODI captain in 2002 it was a major turning point for him. He seemed to relish the responsibility and he became a great batsman. And in terms of behaviour he had his abrasive and controversial moments as captain , generally he matured in the role and imo the Oz sides of the Ponting era were generally better behaved than under any other Oz captain this century.

And until this summer, it looked as if Warner was heading down the same path. He'd stayed out of behavioural trouble for 3 years or so and seemed to have matured and more significantly, clearly seemed to be a more natural captain than Smith was. The permanent T20 and perhaps even ODI captaincy was there for the taking in the very near future. But of course the decision to become 'attack dog' at the start of the Ashes was to prove a major error and while he obviously has to take the blame for that, the likes of Lehmann should as well.

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

This just makes me think that the elevation of Warner to VC has gotten a lot of criticism now but I reckon CA were figuring he would mature as is required by the role as Ponting did.

Easy to forget now but Ponting in the 1995-2001 period got into trouble multiple times off the field, could be abrasive and a hothead on the field and was underachieving in relation to his talent.

But once he was made ODI captain in 2002 it was a major turning point for him. He seemed to relish the responsibility and he became a great batsman. And in terms of behaviour he had his abrasive and controversial moments as captain , generally he matured in the role and imo the Oz sides of the Ponting era were generally better behaved than under any other Oz captain this century.

And until this summer, it looked as if Warner was heading down the same path. He'd stayed out of behavioural trouble for 3 years or so and seemed to have matured and more significantly, clearly seemed to be a more natural captain than Smith was. The permanent T20 and perhaps even ODI captaincy was there for the taking in the very near future. But of course the decision to become 'attack dog' at the start of the Ashes was to prove a major error and while he obviously has to take the blame for that, the likes of Lehmann should as well.

Yea always felt that the decision to promote Warner was so that CA could reap the best out of him. It's a little sad how all this ended up because while Warner had a terrible reputation he was trying to correct some of his behavior like you've said..

Oh well.

 

[Tangles]

This the same Ponting who acted the tool every time a decision didn't go his way? A top bat who wasn't a top captain, so similar to Smith in a few ways.