Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

[MagicPoopShovel]

That might be the case against SA but against everyone else we should make them as fast and bouncy as possible. Bring some physical fear into it.

Start this summer I say. Give those Indians a real taste of Staya. "The only thing hard is our pitches and the only thing fair is that we let you into our country" - Timmy Paine circa 18/19 summer

 

[S.Kennedy]

It was weird watching Michael ''get ready for a broken ****ing arm'' Clarke criticise the culture of nastiness.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Start this summer I say. Give those Indians a real taste of Staya. "The only thing hard is our pitches and the only thing fair is that we let you into our country" - Timmy Paine circa 18/19 summer

Last time SA adopted this approach it didn't end well for thrm.

 

[Zinzan]

That might be the case against SA but against everyone else we should make them as fast and bouncy as possible. Bring some physical fear into it.

Again, why when you're already able to beat sides not named South Africa on flat tracks (although fast & bouncy by overseas standards) we've seen in Australia for the last 5 years or so? Probably the only time it hasn't worked was that Indian series which saw Kohli & Smith pile on the runs.

The last time I remember a genuine greenish bowler-friendly wicket in Australia against a non-SA side was when you lost to New Zealand in Hobart 6 or so years ago. Sides like NZ and England, you'll beat much more easily on flat decks (with normal Aust pace and bounce) than bowler-friendly tracks. Bowlers tracks like that Hobart one will just bring them more into the game.

 

[Borges]

"The only thing hard is our pitches and the only thing fair is that we let you into our country" - Timmy Paine circa 18/19 summer

I'm all for this unequivocally macho approach: this must surely be the unerring path to the redemption and ultimate absolution of Australian cricket.


Plus the delicious possibility of seeing Virat Kohli too cry like a little girl who has been spanked! Yippee! Bring it on, I say.

 

[GotSpin]

Just some decent bounce and carry through would be enough. Makes for more entertaining cricket while still holding our advantage

 

[Zinzan]

Just some decent bounce and carry through would be enough. Makes for more entertaining cricket while still holding our advantage

Which are pretty much the tracks you've been dishing out the last 5 years. Flat decks that the opposition have no chance bowling Australia out on for anything less than 400, but which Australia just have enough in their ammunition to get 20 wickets. You just need to mitigate some of those stupidly flat ones like the MCG of late & that Perth wicket against NZ in 2015.

 

[Burgey]

It was weird watching Michael ''get ready for a broken ****ing arm'' Clarke criticise the culture of nastiness.

He was criticising the culture of nastiness when he said that ffs.

 

[Burgey]

Again, why when you're already able to beat sides not named South Africa on flat tracks (although fast & bouncy by overseas standards) we've seen in Australia for the last 5 years or so? Probably the only time it hasn't worked was that Indian series which saw Kohli & Smith pile on the runs.

The last time I remember a genuine greenish bowler-friendly wicket in Australia against a non-SA side was when you lost to New Zealand in Hobart 6 or so years ago. Sides like NZ and England, you'll beat much more easily on flat decks (with normal Aust pace and bounce) than bowler-friendly tracks. Bowlers tracks like that Hobart one will just bring them more into the game.

It worked easily in that series too.

But the idea we’ve had fast and bouncy pitches is a joke. They’ve been flat and slow. Brisbane this year was the worst ever. Perth likewise. Melbourne and Sydney slow and a dirge.

Other countries don’t like it up around rib cage height. More pace and bounce. Will be hilarious. The only thing funnier than watching India bat on it will be watching their bowlers bang it on short on the same decks and going the journey.

 

[Burgey]

Which are pretty much the tracks you've been dishing out the last 5 years. Flat decks that the opposition have no chance bowling Australia out on for anything less than 400, but which Australia just have enough in their ammunition to get 20 wickets. You just need to mitigate some of those stupidly flat ones like the MCG of late & that Perth wicket against NZ in 2015.

They really aren’t. Didn’t you watch any cricket here over the past five years? You’re wrong on this. The pitches have been slow by historic standards and lack bounce

 

[Zinzan]

They really aren’t. Didn’t you watch any cricket here over the past five years? You’re wrong on this. The pitches have been slow by historic standards and lack bounce

Apart from a very bowler friendly deck in Hobart when SA last toured (where Abbott & Philander had you on toast), I recall pitches being generally being flat, the sort Warner can confidently hit through the line on.

In terms of the bounce, these things are relative. Perhaps not bouncy by traditional Australian standards, but certainly by world-wide standards, which is why the same wickets Warner hits through the line, Hazel , Starc & co, make life difficult for overseas batsmen.

 

[S.Kennedy]

He was criticising the culture of nastiness when he said that ffs.

Hypocrisy of the highest order considering he was one of the architects of the nastiness.

 

[harsh.ag]

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[S.Kennedy]

CA deserves a lot of the blame. Didn't they orchestrate a campaign during the last Ashes called, ''tonk a Pom'' or some racist bollocks?

 

[vcs]

Again, why when you're already able to beat sides not named South Africa on flat tracks (although fast & bouncy by overseas standards) we've seen in Australia for the last 5 years or so? Probably the only time it hasn't worked was that Indian series which saw Kohli & Smith pile on the runs.

The last time I remember a genuine greenish bowler-friendly wicket in Australia against a non-SA side was when you lost to New Zealand in Hobart 6 or so years ago. Sides like NZ and England, you'll beat much more easily on flat decks (with normal Aust pace and bounce) than bowler-friendly tracks. Bowlers tracks like that Hobart one will just bring them more into the game.

I wouldn't mind Hobart style pitches at all when we go there. The usual bouncy roads give India absolutely no chance, they'll pile up 500-600 and get India out for around 300-350 max. If they give us greentops, it brings Bhuvi into the game and their batsmen suck at dealing with lateral movement as much as anyone else.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Apart from a very bowler friendly deck in Hobart when SA last toured (where Abbott & Philander had you on toast), I recall pitches being generally being flat, the sort Warner can confidently hit through the line on.

In terms of the bounce, these things are relative. Perhaps not bouncy by traditional Australian standards, but certainly by world-wide standards, which is why the same wickets Warner hits through the line, Hazel , Starc & co, make life difficult for overseas batsmen.

Most of Australia's home pitches over the last few years have been slow shitheaps. I don't know why people haven't figured out yet that the easy way to beat India is to prepare a pitch with decent bounce with not much lateral movement. Grentops bring guys like Bhuvi into the game, and slow pitches allow the batting lineup to pile on 500 and match Australia which was the only reason India was able to escape with a couple of draws in 2014. A little bit of pace and bounce and India get crushed (like Brisbane, the only pitch in the same 2014 tour which was a bit pacy). VIrtually all of India's handful of away wins over the last decade have come on very bowler friendly wickets.

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

Yea pace and bounce in Aus have been sidelined for the $ and making the game last the distance. Adelaide DN Test is probably the most competitive game in the Summer now?

 

[Burgey]

CA deserves a lot of the blame. Didn't they orchestrate a campaign during the last Ashes called, ''tonk a Pom'' or some racist bollocks?

Sigh. Of all the things you can criticise CA over, and they are legion, you choose that?

 

[Zinzan]

Most of Australia's home pitches over the last few years have been slow shitheaps. I don't know why people haven't figured out yet that the easy way to beat India is to prepare a pitch with decent bounce with not much lateral movement. Grentops bring guys like Bhuvi into the game, and slow pitches allow the batting lineup to pile on 500 and match Australia which was the only reason India was able to escape with a couple of draws in 2014. A little bit of pace and bounce and India get crushed (like Brisbane, the only pitch in the same 2014 tour which was a bit pacy). VIrtually all of India's handful of away wins over the last decade have come on very bowler friendly wickets.

Yeah, I think we're agreeing on the point that bowler friendly pitches like Hobart 2011, when NZ won, will bring the opposition more into the game, I said that a few posts ago.

The only thing we don't seem to be agreeing on is whilst their wickets have been slow by Australian standards in recent years,I still think they've been bouncy and quick relative to other wickets around the world. They're certainly not slow ****-heaps by Bangladesh standards for example. Moreover, they have been flat, and Australia have been very successful on these flattish tracks except vs. SA.

I do take your point that a horses for courses approach would be good against sides like India, who struggle with bounce.

 

[Adders]

CA deserves a lot of the blame. Didn't they orchestrate a campaign during the last Ashes called, ''tonk a Pom'' or some racist bollocks?

Tonk a Pom was 06/07.....it was a wanky thing was mildly annoying, but FMD Kennedy how the **** was it "racist"?? Man if you're that thin skinned and gonna get hot under the collar playing the race card over something like that I really suggest you never leave Durham mate.