luckyeddie
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Pot...kettle...Rik said:
Anyway this is about Australian all-rounders, or batsmen who bowl as we call them over here
At least you managed a reply without using the word 'Harmison', so that's something.:P
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Australian all-rounder position
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At least you managed a reply without using the word 'Harmison', so that's something.:P
Neil Pickup
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And you managed to avoid a can't-bat-can't-bowl joke!Rik said:
luckyeddie
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Touche, although that hasn't stopped you in the pastRik said:
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The point being?Rik said:
luckyeddie
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I read three successive comments by you yesterday which had included the 'H' word. The comment in this thread was the next one I read - and I was just surprised that you hadn't found some way to introduce your pet hobby-horse here too.Rik said:
It seems that the irony went un-noticed.
luckyeddie
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Socrates turns in his grave.Rik said:
luckyeddie
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No you don't. You become as defensive as Inter Milan in the 1960's.Rik said:
The 'Socrates' reference relates to 'Socratic irony' - something I don't think that you are familiar with.
Richard
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No, I never said being a spinner is a disadvantage if you can get the ball to turn. If you can turn it use of feet is extremely dangerous and almost any batsman will pay for it sooner rather than later MOTT. However, if you can't turn it (as fingerspinners can't on most surfaces outside the subcontinent and West Indies) bowling at 50-odd mph is a disadvantage. Bowling at all but 60, as Kumble does, is rather different as it gives far less time.Rik said:
For me, circumstances have conspired in Harbhajan's favour (yes, I know, he's been getting pretty good figures for much of the past 2 years, but I still feel it) and I think the upcoming Australian Test and VB Series may just show-up his nothing-particularly-special status.
Saqlain and Harbhajan are better than conventional fingerspinners, but not that much better IMO.
Wristspinners like Murali, Warne and Mushtaq Ahmed are a different case because most wristspinners will turn the ball on all surfaces. If you do that, you can be a good one-day bowler if you land it on the right place (a need for one-day bowlers that never has and never will go away) anywhere. Fingerspinners can only be good one-day bowlers on certain surfaces, produced regularly only at certain grounds. In England, the only ones are Wantage Road, Sophia Gardens and at times Nevill Road. None Test-grounds, though two have hosted regular ODIs.
luckyeddie
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Certainly not - it's just that I'm too polite for my own good at times.Rik said:
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I don't see how trying to provoke an arguement over a series of posts about a subject no-one has actually given any proof I am wrong about, can be classed as being "too polite for my own good."luckyeddie said:
Now if you read this you will note the lack of defensive attitude, and the fact that I'm actually putting this in your corner now. I'm defensive? I'd leave that to Boycs...
(Notice the liberal taking of the ****, you really think I'm this serious? :P)
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