Australian all-rounder position

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

4/42 is excellent, well bowled clarkey! Btw Symonds once again proved himself with the bat, this 'fluke' idea is really digging a hole for itself.:P

His bowling was poor though.

 

[Mr. P]

His bowling was poor though.

Symonds or Clarke?

 

[PY]

Don't argue with 4/42. That, my friend would be the cardinal sin.

The end justifies the means, I think.

Either way, you're not going to get radar pin point accuracy with a part timer, or an allrounder as the case may be. But if they're going to have a game where they pick up 4 wickets then there's obviously some talent there that Australia can use.

Wait until Richard gets a piece of that argument......

 

[age_master]

I'm not discrediting his 4 wickets, I'm just saying that we shouldn't read too much into it. It was a very composed spell though.

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lol, dont you forget that he is a batsman, a PART TIME BOWLER, he doesn't usually bowl at all for NSW because Macgill and Katich do ths spinning, so hes not that experiences with OD bowling.

 

[marc71178]

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lol, dont you forget that he is a batsman, a PART TIME BOWLER, he doesn't usually bowl at all for NSW because Macgill and Katich do ths spinning, so hes not that experiences with OD bowling.

Yet you've often championed him as a great batsman and bowler...

 

[Richard]

Wait until Richard gets a piece of that argument......

Well, it's not that complicated. Why does he deserve credit for Tendulkar and Dravid giving their wickets away?

 

[Mr. P]

Well, it's not that complicated. Why does he deserve credit for Tendulkar and Dravid giving their wickets away?

Don't think you've thought about this richard. Of course you can take credit if a batsman gives their wicket away, in most cases. The bowler can force a change in the batsmans mentality. Eg if they shut the batsman down and the scoring rate dries up, the batsman may try to do something stupid or play a risky shot. It is not every case, but many a time.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Symonds or Clarke?

Andrew Symonds.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Well, it's not that complicated. Why does he deserve credit for Tendulkar and Dravid giving their wickets away?

He doesn't deserve credit for it, but he should be acredited for it. He bowled the ball. It will go into the books as a wicket to his name. I'm a huge stats freak (as anyone on the forum will confirm) but I don't think that stats are meant to over-analyze.

 

[Gaijin-san]

Mr Pontings got it. People don't just play stupid shots. Imagine what 1 billion people in India would think if you accused Sachin Tendulkar of playing a stupid shot. It's unheard of, even I can admit that and I'm not a fan of his. The bowler (in this case Clarke) has to have done something that is reflected in the batsman's strokeplay. Whether that be that he has worn the batsman down or lulled him into a false sense of security or otherwise. The bowler has to use what they've got and that's exactly what Michael Clarke did last night.

If you think that batsmen play stupid shots for no reason I'd like to hear your rationalization!

Well bowled Clarkey!!

 

[Simon]

Harvey is no where near as good as Watson. When he comes out Harvey will find himself back in the vics line up and not to be seen in the aus colours.
What i think we are seeing australia doing at the moemnt is a rotation with all rounders, and batsmen that bowl a bit. we have Hayden, Gilchrist, Ponting and Bevan set in the line up, that leaves 3 positions, 4,6 and 7 in the line up. I think we will see in the future Martyn, Clarke, Symonds, Watson and Lehmann rotated through those 3 spots and all used as back up bowlers. the 3 of those that play you can easily get 8-12 overs per game between them.
The conditions will depend on who plays, as well as the oposition.

 

[Andre]

Australia still does not have a genuine all-rounder:

At international level:
Symonds is a batsman who bowls
Katich is a batsman who bowls
Blewett is a batsman who bowls
Clarke is a batsman who bowls
Harvey is a bowler who bats
Hogg is a bowler who bats
Bichel is a bowler who bats.

Watson seems the most likely to become a geniune all-rounder, although he too is simply a batsman who bowls at the moment.

And for those wondering, he cannot bowl till after christmas thanks to his back injuries.

 

[vicpride29]

Can't you all see harvey's average since the world cup. 21.05, surely he should remain in the squad. Watson is a prospect in 3-4 years but not now.

 

[Eclipse]

I dont have a problem with harveys bowling but he has just been pathetic with the bat.

Even Brett Lee, Andy Bichel have been batting better than Ian havey at Internationl level.

Watson works very hard on his game harder than most other players thats why I think he will make it.

 

[Eclipse]

looking at Ian harvey's FC and List A avrages it's quite sad how much he seem's to suck with the bat at International level.

He would make the Victorian team as a Batsman alone.

 

[gibbsnsmith]

Picky Bast*rds!

 

[deeps]

i didn't say symonds sucks...but he's not good enough to play the no5 position...no5 is a VERY important position... did u see how symonds got out??? that shot was not on in the situation...aus really couldn't afford to lose another wicket...and he went and played a stupid shot...ok fine,aus got away with it this time...but against a better bowling attack, aus would've fallen apart...He doesn't have enough patience,focus or mindset to save a game for aus consistently...he rides his luck too often...even his innings against pakistan in the world cup, there was a few risky shots he played...lucky for him,they came off on that day

Aus need a solid player coming in at 5...swaugh did a great job there,he could attack when necessary,and consolidate when necessary...We can't rely on bevan all the time

If their not gonna bring swaugh back (did ne1 see him bat against WA today?!?!awesome!), michael clarke is the man...coming in at 5...he's shown he can bowl as well

my australian 11

1. Gilchrist
2. Hayden
3. Ponting
4. Martyn
5. Swaugh...but prolly unlikely,so i'll say m.Clarke
6. M.Bevan
7. B.Hogg
8. A.Bichel
9. B.Lee
10. J. Gillespie
11. G. Mcgrath


they've got batting down till no 10...so there shouldn't b a problem there, and bowling
mcgrath,gillespie,lee,bichel and hogg can all bowle 10...

bevan,clarke,martyn,waugh all can bowl if one of the top 4 have an 'off day'

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I would be hesitant to call Lee and Gillespie 'batting'.

 

[deeps]

um,in relation to harvey struggling with the bat at international level


for victoria,harvey comes up the order,at no3 4 and 5ish

For austarlia,he comes at no 7... I can't remember a time where he's come in and been in a good situation

either theres 5 overs left,and he has to go for it,or there's 6 wickets down for almost no runs

He cant' handle that sort of pressure at the international level...

But there's no space for him up the order...so he's gonna have 2 learn

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

um,in relation to harvey struggling with the bat at international level

It was in response to...

they've got batting down till no 10...