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Ashwin's streak and position

listento_me

listento_me

U19 Captain
Ashwin away from home (including asia) averages 33+ in tests and 45(!!) in ODIs. If I was to take out SL and BANG it would be even worse.

Not really the sign of a great bowler. Time to improve though.
 
Shady Slim

Shady Slim

International Coach
Furball said:
Ashwin and Herath have absolutely terrible records in England and Australia btw.
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his roundness was excellent when sri lanka toured and was pretty much the only thing about them that didn't suck

and ashwin to be fair was mainly used as a containing bowler (though he wasn't great) and offies come to lose their dignity in aus anyway
 
Shady Slim

Shady Slim

International Coach
not sure if it was mentioned btw but ashwin's career best ICC rating is now the 21st best ever and is likely to improve over the home season you'd think

five points from vaulting the greatest large blonde peroxide haired man to ever play cricket (cosgrove eat your heart out) warnie
 
Salamuddin

Salamuddin

International Debutant
dhillon28 said:
Swann has a good average in India because during his second visit, he came up against a test team in absolute turmoil. Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir- all on the decline, all on their way out. Petulant Kohli who was new to and slow to pick up test cricket and Yuvraj who is India's worst ever player of spin. Its like when people say Warne finally cracked India in 2004 with his 6 for....I think Yuvraj and Irfan Pathan were openers!!! Quality of opposition at the time has to be taken into consideration. I think most modern day test batsmen have very poor basics often capitulating on bowler friendly tracks and this certainly helps Ashwin rack up the wickets.
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This is a point that a lot of people overlook when judging Monty and Swann's performance in India in 2012. They bowled well but it has to be said they faced the weakest
Indian batting lineup in a generation - No Dravid, Laxman or Ganguly. Sehwag, Gambhir and Tendulkar clearly on the wane.

Monty never actually did well when he faced India prior to this series and all of a sudden he became a world beater.
It's also one of the reasons why I don't think Swann is the far superior bowler to Harbhajan that quite a few of the ENglish cupcakes on this forum think he his - Harbhajan produced some very strong performance against some excellent batting lineups. Swann tended to cash in against the weaker batting lineups.
 
Shri

Shri

Mr. Glass
Salamuddin said:
This is a point that a lot of people overlook when judging Monty and Swann's performance in India in 2012. They bowled well but it has to be said they faced the weakest
Indian batting lineup in a generation - No Dravid, Laxman or Ganguly. Sehwag, Gambhir and Tendulkar clearly on the wane.

Monty never actually did well when he faced India prior to this series and all of a sudden he became a world beater.
It's also one of the reasons why I don't think Swann is the far superior bowler to Harbhajan that quite a few of the ENglish cupcakes on this forum think he his - Harbhajan produced some very strong performance against some excellent batting lineups. Swann tended to cash in against the weaker batting lineups.
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Not its much simpler. Swann didn't have the skills that Harbhajan had that let Bhajji hit incredible heights as a spinner but on the other hand Swann was also a very intelligent bowler who was exceptional at what he did, which again meant that he never had to face as sharp a decline as Bhajji did.
 
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dhillon28

U19 Debutant
Shri said:
Not its much simpler. Swann didn't have the skills that Harbhajan had that let Bhajji hit incredible heights as a spinner but on the other hand Swann was also a very intelligent bowler who was exceptional at what he did, which again meant that he never had to face as sharp a decline as Bhajji did.
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Swann was definitely a cleverer bowler: not just retiring when his skills were on the decline, he retired mid series when his team were having their asses handed to them. Tells you something about his suitability for 'test match cricket'. Bhaji played for so many years and through many ups and downs. Test Cricket tends to expose you over time. By modern day standards, Swann's run barley constitutes a test career. If bhaji stopped playing after his initial peak- he'd have much better stats.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Shady Slim said:
his roundness was excellent when sri lanka toured and was pretty much the only thing about them that didn't suck

and ashwin to be fair was mainly used as a containing bowler (though he wasn't great) and offies come to lose their dignity in aus anyway
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He was pish in 2011
 
viriya

viriya

International Captain
Furball said:
ABdV is the most over-rated Test batsman.
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I actually think he's one of the more underrated ones. His ODI + T20 exploits make people ignore how good he is in Tests - not as good as he is in the shorter forms but in those he is already in the top 3 all-time..
 
viriya

viriya

International Captain
Burner said:
Not shorter formats. Just ODIs.
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He dominates franchise T20s too (only behind Gayle all-time imo).. not as much in T20Is but the majority of T20s played are franchise level nowadays.
 
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