Ashwin's streak and position

[Jono]

Nah come on. Different conditions requires different bowling skills. It's not as simplistic as saying 'well duh he grew up in India' but you can't bowl the same in India as you would in Australia or England and expect the same results. Same way that the type of fast bowler who does well in England is not the same as the type who does well in Australia.

Ashwin and Herath have absolutely terrible records in England and Australia btw.

Swann bowled well in India despite not growing up on those tracks. Against some good batsmen too. Mainly because he wasn't a spud.

I'm not saying those bowlers should average 14 like Ashwon. I'm just saying itd be good if they don't average 50 on pitches that apparently are spin friendly. Until they do I'm not buying that Ashwon isn't a gas illion miles better than Lyon, Craig, Moeen, Tahir, and all the other spuds that come to India and get tonked while Ashwon gets 13 fers

 

[Burgey]

I'm looking forward to revisiting Jono's argument when Ashwin comes here and averages 50 per wicket.

He's certainly putting some remarkable numbers up ATM, mind you.

 

[harsh.ag]

Would wager anyone Ashwin goes big overseas next year.

 

[Jono]

I'm looking forward to revisiting Jono's argument when Ashwin comes here and averages 50 per wicket.

He's certainly putting some remarkable numbers up ATM, mind you.

This will only counter my point if Ashwon averages 50 and Lyon averages 30. If they average similar my point still stands.

 

[Jono]

Also have no confidence that Lyon won't have been dropped for Zampa or someone else by the time India come next.

 

[Burgey]

Lyon won't average 50 here. He'll be lucky to get a bowl.

 

[dhillon28]

Swann bowled well in India despite not growing up on those tracks. Against some good batsmen too. Mainly because he wasn't a spud.

I'm not saying those bowlers should average 14 like Ashwon. I'm just saying itd be good if they don't average 50 on pitches that apparently are spin friendly. Until they do I'm not buying that Ashwon isn't a gas illion miles better than Lyon, Craig, Moeen, Tahir, and all the other spuds that come to India and get tonked while Ashwon gets 13 fers

Swann has a good average in India because during his second visit, he came up against a test team in absolute turmoil. Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir- all on the decline, all on their way out. Petulant Kohli who was new to and slow to pick up test cricket and Yuvraj who is India's worst ever player of spin. Its like when people say Warne finally cracked India in 2004 with his 6 for....I think Yuvraj and Irfan Pathan were openers!!! Quality of opposition at the time has to be taken into consideration. I think most modern day test batsmen have very poor basics often capitulating on bowler friendly tracks and this certainly helps Ashwin rack up the wickets.

 

[Motorwada]

Nah come on. Different conditions requires different bowling skills. It's not as simplistic as saying 'well duh he grew up in India' but you can't bowl the same in India as you would in Australia or England and expect the same results. Same way that the type of fast bowler who does well in England is not the same as the type who does well in Australia.

Ashwin and Herath have absolutely terrible records in England and Australia btw.

34 in England

 

[honestbharani]

Reckon Zampa looks a good prospect even as a test bowler.

 

[Daemon]

Swann has a good average in India because during his second visit, he came up against a test team in absolute turmoil. Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir- all on the decline, all on their way out. Petulant Kohli who was new to and slow to pick up test cricket and Yuvraj who is India's worst ever player of spin. Its like when people say Warne finally cracked India in 2004 with his 6 for....I think Yuvraj and Irfan Pathan were openers!!! Quality of opposition at the time has to be taken into consideration. I think most modern day test batsmen have very poor basics often capitulating on bowler friendly tracks and this certainly helps Ashwin rack up the wickets.

While that had something to do with his success, he did bowl exceptionally well, just like he did the UAE. His arm balls were glorious and perfect for the sort of tracks he was bowling on.

 

[Burgey]

Reckon Zampa looks a good prospect even as a test bowler.

Just not as a fielder

 

[Furball]

Swann bowled well in India despite not growing up on those tracks. Against some good batsmen too. Mainly because he wasn't a spud.

I'm not saying those bowlers should average 14 like Ashwon. I'm just saying itd be good if they don't average 50 on pitches that apparently are spin friendly. Until they do I'm not buying that Ashwon isn't a gas illion miles better than Lyon, Craig, Moeen, Tahir, and all the other spuds that come to India and get tonked while Ashwon gets 13 fers

Again, bear in mind that Ashwin is bowling against batsmen who are not used to Indian conditions. Note that I'm not referring to whether the pitches are 'spin friendly', it's the pace and bounce I'm talking about. Equally, foreign spinners are bowling in alien conditions and against batsmen who are used to the conditions. The opposite applies when India and Sri Lanka tour England or Australia.

 

[Daemon]

Swann bowled well in India despite not growing up on those tracks. Against some good batsmen too. Mainly because he wasn't a spud.

I'm not saying those bowlers should average 14 like Ashwon. I'm just saying itd be good if they don't average 50 on pitches that apparently are spin friendly. Until they do I'm not buying that Ashwon isn't a gas illion miles better than Lyon, Craig, Moeen, Tahir, and all the other spuds that come to India and get tonked while Ashwon gets 13 fers

Tahir probably put in the best performance a visiting spinner has in India since Swann/Panesar ftr

Moeen will probably troll us to 20 wickets @ 20 as well, wac.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Tahir was trash imo. His figures look good because he got some cheap tailend wickets. But he always released pressure when he bowled.

 

[indiaholic]

Yeah even Piedt was better.

 

[weldone]

Lol are we seriously comparing mediocres like Tahir, Moeen and Lyon with Ashwin the great?

Why don't we start comparing Venkatesh Prasad with McGrath too then?

 

[weldone]

If Moeen Ali played in India, he would be playing First-Class cricket as a batsman who bowls some part-time spin.

 

[Flem274*]

yeah and if jadeja played in england, australia, SA or NZ he'd be a domestic #8, 5th bowling norounder

your point?

 

[weldone]

Jadeja would be no. 1 spinner in all those 4 National teams. Oh and also, for England or NZ, he could be batting in top 6.

The only countries where Jadeja wouldn't be the no. 1 spinner are Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

 

[Flem274*]

he's the indian anton devcich