Coronis
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Ah, so you've never heard of Hashim Amla? He wins due to his beard alone.
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Ashwin's streak and position
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Black_Warrior
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And the guy who replaced him is even worse. Oh and Rohit Sharma is a dick too.
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viriya
International Captain
imo AB > Amla even in Tests, but only by a slight margin.
Black_Warrior
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It's close to be honest. The 2014 test series against Australia, Amla along with the rest of SA got rolled over by Johnson. AB was the only guy who looked like he belonged there. AB is getting a lot of bad rap as a test batsman because he had a quiet year, actually a quiet series really ( The England series). Even in the India series, the first 2 test matches he was head and shoulders the best batsman and the only guy able to score against Ashwin.
Now I am not sure how much of test cricket he has left in him or wants to play, but if he does end up playing for a few years, one good season and the "AB sucks" brigade will go back to hiding. It happens with every player really..one bad season and the naysayers come out..and then go hiding again if the player delivers. Happened with YK recently, happened with Sanga before that.
Now I am not sure how much of test cricket he has left in him or wants to play, but if he does end up playing for a few years, one good season and the "AB sucks" brigade will go back to hiding. It happens with every player really..one bad season and the naysayers come out..and then go hiding again if the player delivers. Happened with YK recently, happened with Sanga before that.
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viriya
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Exactly this
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For me the best part of Ashwin's career so far has been all the waaahs from people who just don't rate spin bowling, particularly finger spin.
Every time he does well they blame the pitch, the batsmen, the presence or lack of DRS, but no one wants to see to acknowledge that a finger spinner could actually be a good bowler. In particular one who doesn't rely on the old fashioned methods of tossing it up with some nice drift and bowling to a tight field and waiting for mistakes. Ashwin is a right handed, no-mystery, straight-armed finger spinner who straight up wrecks batting lineups at home.
It's something cricket hasn't seen in a long, long time. Not since Bhajji burst onto the scene; and even then, Bhajji had a bit of strangeness to his action (he did get reported) and had a legit doosra. Ashwin has such a simple, straightforward action and basically just bowls 1 delivery. There is no mystery. You know what's coming and you can't stop it. It's fantastic.
Every time he does well they blame the pitch, the batsmen, the presence or lack of DRS, but no one wants to see to acknowledge that a finger spinner could actually be a good bowler. In particular one who doesn't rely on the old fashioned methods of tossing it up with some nice drift and bowling to a tight field and waiting for mistakes. Ashwin is a right handed, no-mystery, straight-armed finger spinner who straight up wrecks batting lineups at home.
It's something cricket hasn't seen in a long, long time. Not since Bhajji burst onto the scene; and even then, Bhajji had a bit of strangeness to his action (he did get reported) and had a legit doosra. Ashwin has such a simple, straightforward action and basically just bowls 1 delivery. There is no mystery. You know what's coming and you can't stop it. It's fantastic.
ankitj
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What took you so long? He is the most likeable guy with cleanest attitude in the lot. His sincerity and dedication for test cricket is also very reassuring.
Jono
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It's extraordinaryWell, yeah
honestbharani
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I obviously do not think that Ashwin is suddenly going to be a matchwinner away from the SC and Windies tracks (and Zim is for all intents and purposes an A team tour these days).. But, if our fast bowling actually does improve in places like NZ, Aus, SA and Eng, there is a chance that he can get his average and SR to much more average levels in these countries. Remember a big part of his record can in fact be bettered if he gets to bowl at 3/80 or 5/120 etc..
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Yeah, the big disadvantage Ashwin has overseas, especially Australia, is not just that the pitches don't suit finger spin, but that our pacers get absolutely demolished and he's reduced to a holding role since runs are leaking at an alarming rate at the other end. There's not much you can expect from a spinner when the other blokes are going at 4-5+ runs an over, like on the previous tour down under. Lyon benefits massively in that regard imo, since his pace bowlers are always threatening and that enables him to just do his thing at his end and nip out a few wickets.
viriya
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But he could also keep his team in games single-handedly like he proved in Ashes 2005. Also I remember day 1 of Ashes 2001, there was a big partnership going on for the 2nd wicket, Warne breaks it and immediately England collapsed. I'm sure there are several similar examples.
Actually, both McGrath and Warne were great at capitalizing on situations when the other had provided a breakthrough. That's what made them such a great partnership.
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Black_Warrior
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j/k. What stood out for me was that the last few weeks, social media was a war zone between India and Pakistan full of jingoism and hatred and for him to come out in such circumstances with those two tweets about Babar and Yasir showed a lot of class.
Black_Warrior
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There's no doubt that Ashwin has benefited greatly from hugely conducive pitches as home...not dissimilar to the way Anderson and Broad have benefited from seaming pitches in England. But when talking about his overseas record, it's important to be mindful of his first overseas tours playing in Australia, England, South Africa. It's the same thing about Root's 2013 Australian tour. You have to make a consideration for failure. If you take out Ashwin's 2011 numbers in Australia, it doesn't look that bad. I think he can improve, and fingers spinners have performed..Saqlain has bowled well in Australia and England and in this thread we are rating Ashwin ahead of Saqlain. If he starts averaging in late 30s in these places, combine that with his average in India, his overall stats would end up being quite spectacular.