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"Anyone but Little England"
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luckyeddie
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Oh dear.steds said:Is the claymore not his weapon?
We really need a 'fishing' smiley because I just caught you and C_C on the same hook.
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China, for example, certainly has more cultural differences within its own race than say the inhabitants of the British Isles.
It's not uncommon for Chinese to be faced with indecipherable dialects, different cuisines and significantly different customs when travelling to different regions within their own country's borders.
However, for good or for bad, that is changing at a massive rate because of:
a. economic development;
b. globalisation; and
c. migration from rural areas to the cities.
Within our lifetime, a significant proportion of the Chinese population will wear western clothes, eat western food, and understand English.
Likewise, many ancient customs and practices will fall by the wayside.
As for those claiming that there is little difference between cities in the British Isles, the same can be said for many in China. In fact, many Chinese cities resemble the industrial north on England in the bad, old days i.e. theyre ugly, polluted and offer precious little.
It's not uncommon for Chinese to be faced with indecipherable dialects, different cuisines and significantly different customs when travelling to different regions within their own country's borders.
However, for good or for bad, that is changing at a massive rate because of:
a. economic development;
b. globalisation; and
c. migration from rural areas to the cities.
Within our lifetime, a significant proportion of the Chinese population will wear western clothes, eat western food, and understand English.
Likewise, many ancient customs and practices will fall by the wayside.
As for those claiming that there is little difference between cities in the British Isles, the same can be said for many in China. In fact, many Chinese cities resemble the industrial north on England in the bad, old days i.e. theyre ugly, polluted and offer precious little.
True, they do happen to be quite ugly. But it offers a hell of a lot more than the South of England, which only presents us with stuck up ****s with stupid accents.
C_C
International Captain
And it would be a sad day if China becomes the second America or Australia or Canada or whatever with a blaize baritone culture from one extremity to another.
However, industrialisation does not necessarily mean disappearance of culture.
The distinctive differences can still survive and thrive.
Just because one lives in a condo,wears jeans and has a porsche in the backyard doesnt mean it will be similar to western culture.
Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, UAE are highly developed and industrialised areas yet they retain their cultural integrity....there is no reason why the several culturally different areas of China or India wouldnt retain their cultural distinctiveness despite modernisation. Every culture changes- that is a given. Diversity is distinctiveness in their states, whatever states they may be. Every culture in India has undergone massive change in the last 300 years but they all retain their uniqueness and marked difference.
Add to the fact that monotone cultural perspective is pretty hard to accomplish in massively populated nations like India and China ( who have over 40% of world's people).
If Europe and the mediterranean formed one political entity tomorrow, it wouldnt translate to a baritone culture from one end of the continent to another.
C_C
International Captain
I wouldnt expect you to see it any other way.parttimer said:
You probably havnt experienced the thrills of cultural diversity and see it sustain itself for thousands of years in face of much bigger odds than you see today.
Cultural diversity can thrive if there is cultural tolerance.
So long as you dont look nervously or differentiate between yourself in ' i am aussie and he/she is a punjabi' coz he/she is wearing a shalwaar kameez, cultural diversity will thrive.I find it much more pleasant when i have little in common with most rather than finding a lotta things in common....for diversity in itself is entertaining and enlightening while commonality in itself is outta fear and apprehension.
In India you can walk around wearing the most outrageous clothing, eat the msot outrageous food or listen to the weirdest music and nobody bats an eyelash.
In the west there is still the 'mental wall' between people dressing in same western lines....it is strictly enforced at workplace and in social etiquette. Such narrow viewpoints cannot develop a cultural diversity..which is why in the west cultural diversity never happens..you have immigrants maintaining a perpetual 'fringe cuisine/art' while 3rd/4th generation immigrants get absorbed into the mainstream...and a decade or three after immigration stops, many of the fringe stuff would become incorporated into the main culture or disappear alltogether.
And that is why i think the west has a long long way to go before it can establish cultural diversity. There is too much cultural policing for it to be considered viable as of today.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It's not about China becoming a second America or anyone else. No matter how many Porsches, Luis Vuitton bags or Big Macs are sold in that country, you wont eradicate cultural diversity that has been in existence for thousands of years. However, experiences will become more blurred for the transient.C_C said:
As for Europe, that is almost too ridiculous for words but I'll leave that argument to an Englishman and their cultural brothers, the French.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Luckily, the same is said for bird flu and verrucas.C_C said:Ah. righto.
British humour is something i rarely get without prolonged exposure.
I am not sure why you live in Canada CC, if you're so thrilled and excited and enchanted by China or India. There is no need for western culture to appease the likes of you, you can go and live there if you're so uncomfortable in the West.
If its so great that other countries "retain aspects of their own culture", whats wrong with Western countries doing so.
If its so great that other countries "retain aspects of their own culture", whats wrong with Western countries doing so.
C_C
International Captain
I dont have a problem with western countries having their culture... i dont mind the culture but it does get pretty monotonous after a while......parttimer said:
And living in India or going there for a few months or years is a thrill....out here isnt exactly horrible...... There are aspects to Vancouver that i really like...... but i am a traveller at heart so i will be popping around all over the place in a few year's time.
Besides, a man carries his culture with him.
I do with mine ( whatever weird Indian-arabic-english-italian-swiss-canadian mix that is).
Its strange to say you cant understand other cultures through the media. What alternative is there for 99% of the world´s population?
I dont know how multicultural Britain is, its a small place after all, but its certainly a very tolerant place.
I am also not sure whether multiculturalism is all this great thing, which its politically incorrect to oppose. Depends on what exactly the term means, I guess.
Why is it so important for all cultures to be present in one location? Not that it is, but its seen as some kind of ideal to move towards, often coming from an intellectual or wealthy elite, who have the ability and wealth to appreciate such a world.
Average people are more insecure, depending on solidarity and feeling safe with specific traditions etc.
I am from a small country. Its open to the world getting wealthy through world trade.
It hands out more foreign aid than most others.
It also has one of the smallest gaps between rich and poor, which is down to a solidarity, but this could be threatened by large scale multiculturalism if people had little understanding of other cultures or if cultures found it hard to accept eachother.
Knowledge, understanding, and tolerance about other cultures is more important
I dont know how multicultural Britain is, its a small place after all, but its certainly a very tolerant place.
I am also not sure whether multiculturalism is all this great thing, which its politically incorrect to oppose. Depends on what exactly the term means, I guess.
Why is it so important for all cultures to be present in one location? Not that it is, but its seen as some kind of ideal to move towards, often coming from an intellectual or wealthy elite, who have the ability and wealth to appreciate such a world.
Average people are more insecure, depending on solidarity and feeling safe with specific traditions etc.
I am from a small country. Its open to the world getting wealthy through world trade.
It hands out more foreign aid than most others.
It also has one of the smallest gaps between rich and poor, which is down to a solidarity, but this could be threatened by large scale multiculturalism if people had little understanding of other cultures or if cultures found it hard to accept eachother.
Knowledge, understanding, and tolerance about other cultures is more important
My take on that is that the "elites" (living in the wealthy enclaves and mansions) are removed from most of the effects of multiculturalism / immigration, and are thus happy to appear humanitarian (which is PC and fashionable) and support it, knowing that it won't affect their lives. It is also a good supply of cheap labour.swede said:
Once it starts coming to THEIR suburbs well that will be another matter