"Anyone but Little England"

[swede]

As a big believer in free speech, I think he should be allowed to air his feelings but I am not sure it should be published because there is just no way a similar piece would be accepted by a white brit living in India who supported "anyone but India" and trashed the place.
This makes it an unfair and as such pointless debate.

Its odd the way he has a go at comments like Botham´s about Pakistan while he himself is having such a go at Britain.
It seems he is allowed to dislike England, while no one is allowed to dislike Pakistan or India.

Its bizarre the way he fumes at England because of the rebel tour players , while having apparently no problem with South africa themselves or indeed the australian participants or possibly consider whether India or Pakistan were really such egalitarian paradises that it would be reasonable to form such low opinions on England based on a few individuals on a REBEL tour.

Its amazing the way Britain seems to have to perform to much much higher standards than other countries.

If Britain was so terrible, they could just have banned him from ever entering the country or be so racist in their attitudes that he wouldnt dare publish such views.
Easy. Its the way it is in most countries and they then dont have to read such things.
Of course Britain isnt like that, and shouldnt be like that.
For him to feel free to air such negative views based on so little substance just shows what a decent place Britain is.

 

[Richard]

It seems he is allowed to dislike England, while no one is allowed to dislike Pakistan or India.

Well of course he is.
Anti-white racism is perfectly acceptible, as is anti-male ***ism, heterophobia, you-name-it.
According to most people, things like that are a legitimate redress for past injustices.
All a load of bullshiiyt in my estimation - you can never undo past injustices - but for most people it's perfectly acceptible.

 

[steds]

heterophobia

What a stupid concept.

 

[Sanz]

Well of course he is.
Anti-white racism is perfectly acceptible, as is anti-male ***ism, heterophobia, you-name-it.
According to most people, things like that are a legitimate redress for past injustices.
All a load of bullshiiyt in my estimation - you can never undo past injustices - but for most people it's perfectly acceptible.

Not that I agree with Mr. Premchandran (He is an idiot) but how is hating England or hoping them to lose is same as being anti-white ?

 

[steds]

how is hating England or hoping them to lose is same as being anti-white ?

He never said it was.

 

[silentstriker]

He never said it was

He certainly implied it, responding to the post about no one is "allowed" to hate India or Pakistan.

First of all, wanting Australia to win and England to lose is hardly hating the white man, considering the makeup of both sides.

Well of course he is.
Anti-white racism is perfectly acceptible, as is anti-male ***ism, heterophobia, you-name-it.
According to most people, things like that are a legitimate redress for past injustices.
All a load of bullshiiyt in my estimation - you can never undo past injustices - but for most people it's perfectly acceptible.

How is it acceptable? If he had said, "I hate Australia, England, SA (pre-integration) because of their makeup" then he would have been racist and should be denounced just as much as if someone said "I hate West Indies and other teams where blacks play".

But hating a single team, regardless of their racial makeup, does not equate to racism. I bet he would hate England even if 11 asians were playing in the XI.

 

[steds]

But hating a single team, regardless of their racial makeup, does not equate to racism. I bet he would hate England even if 11 asians were playing in the XI.

He never said anything about racial makeup. He just compared hating England because it's England to hating whites because they're white, hating males because they're male and hating heterosexuals because they're straight, which all all more widely accepted and less fuss made about it than hating blacks because they're black, hating women and hating gays. He wasn't making a statement about genetic makeup. He was making a statement about how much less out of order it is seen as.

 

[Richard]

What a stupid concept.

Indeed, but it's not totally un-understandible for gays who've been constantly subjected to idiotic homophobia.

 

[viktor]

He never said anything about racial makeup. He just compared hating England because it's England to hating whites because they're white, hating males because they're male and hating heterosexuals because they're straight, which all all more widely accepted and less fuss made about it than hating blacks because they're black, hating women and hating gays. He wasn't making a statement about genetic makeup. He was making a statement about how much less out of order it is seen as.

"Well of course he is.
Anti-white racism is perfectly acceptible, as is anti-male ***ism, heterophobia, you-name-it."

The way the sentences have been written, I would think he implied it. He could clarify it if he didn't.

 

[C_C]

"Well of course he is.
Anti-white racism is perfectly acceptible, as is anti-male ***ism, heterophobia, you-name-it."

The way the sentences have been written, I would think he implied it. He could clarify it if he didn't.

You know..the funny thing about 'anti-white' racism is that it is nowhere near as popular or widespread systematically as 'anti-color' racism.
Been around the world enough to've determiend that.
Often the dislike of 'white folks' is a cultural one, where one dislikes the western culture( whatever rudimentary form of culture it is, especially in the 'new worlds').
But except for maybe in parts of arabia and bulk of the western nations, you are almost never judged solely on the basis of your skin color and never have historically.I notice significant anti-white sentiments in the afro-american/afro-caribbean populace but remarkable lack of it from most africans i've encountered outta africa.

The friction from east towards the west is far more cultural than racial ( unlike the other way round). Which is why i noticed that subcontinental folks and romanians/ukrainians get along famously....their cultures are much more similar than that of western nations.

 

[Richard]

That is not the point I'm making.
What I'm saying is that anti-white racism is not frowned-upon in Western civilisation, not especially often anyway, and nor is anti-male ***ism.
Whereas, for the obvious reason that the sentiments have broadly been outlawed, anti-black\brown racism or male-favouritism are very highly frowned-upon wherever they occur.

 

[Richard]

"Well of course he is.
Anti-white racism is perfectly acceptible, as is anti-male ***ism, heterophobia, you-name-it."

The way the sentences have been written, I would think he implied it. He could clarify it if he didn't.

The article, of course, is not promo-I-hate-white.
Nonetheless, it is dangerously close to being so.

 

[C_C]

That is not the point I'm making.
What I'm saying is that anti-white racism is not frowned-upon in Western civilisation, not especially often anyway, and nor is anti-male ***ism.
Whereas, for the obvious reason that the sentiments have broadly been outlawed, anti-black\brown racism or male-favouritism are very highly frowned-upon wherever they occur.

Well anti-white racism is frowned upon quite significantly. Which is why there are so many fundie western folks who cry 'argh. racism against me coz my ancestors colonised your ancestors' at the drop of a hat.
But saying that anti-white racism isnt frowned upon in the western civilisations is not very accurate. And even then, given that anti-color racism has been institutionalised in the past for centuries in the west ( and the remnants of which still continue), the simple fact is, anti-white racism hardly ever disadvantages a white person in the west, while the opposite isnt true. Given the low prevalence of it (than the other way round) and the lack of impact, most people dont care.
Its like 'Kyle Mills is a bonafide chucker but we dont care coz he sucks' philosophy.

 

[C_C]

The article, of course, is not promo-I-hate-white.
Nonetheless, it is dangerously close to being so.

No it is not. If it were, Dileep wouldnt be pitching in with the Aussies, who are an all-white team or near close to it for the entirity of its existance.
The dislike of 'little england' shown by Dileep and by many i've encountered is purely from a cultural standpoint- the sanctimoniousness of the English media and high profile personnel gets to even MY nerves sometimes given how hypocritical it is and i count more British folks in my friend's circle than any other nationality barring Indian.

 

[Richard]

Well anti-white racism is frowned upon quite significantly. Which is why there are so many fundie western folks who cry 'argh. racism against me coz my ancestors colonised your ancestors' at the drop of a hat.
But saying that anti-white racism isnt frowned upon in the western civilisations is not very accurate.

No? You clearly haven't experienced much in South Africa, at least.
It's not, perhaps, quite so bad in places like Britain but I can assure you, some guy who stands-up and starts crying foul at whites will be shot-down far less absolutely than one who does it about blacks\browns.
And both should be castigated equally.

And even then, given that anti-color racism has been institutionalised in the past for centuries in the west ( and the remnants of which still continue), the simple fact is, anti-white racism hardly ever disadvantages a white person in the west, while the opposite isnt true. Given the low prevalence of it (than the other way round) and the lack of impact, most people dont care.
Its like 'Kyle Mills is a bonafide chucker but we dont care coz he sucks' philosophy.

Why you keep repeating this I don't know - it's pretty obvious, and I've never suggested otherwise.

 

[Richard]

No it is not. If it were, Dileep wouldnt be pitching in with the Aussies, who are an all-white team or near close to it for the entirity of its existance.
The dislike of 'little england' shown by Dileep and by many i've encountered is purely from a cultural standpoint- the sanctimoniousness of the English media and high profile personnel gets to even MY nerves sometimes given how hypocritical it is and i count more British folks in my friend's circle than any other nationality barring Indian.

Once again, I'll say it - I don't dispute that.
The point is, it does border on anti-white racism, even if it does "pitch in" with teams like the Aussies. Because it encourages the dislike of Britain, which is one of the most prominent, most obvious "white" countries (even though it is also easily the most multicultural country in The World, and the most comfortable with it's multiculturalism), which is what leads many of the unwary to simple "I-hate-all-those-Westerners" sentiments.

 

[steds]

Britain, which is one of the most prominent, most obvious "white" countries (even though it is also easily the most multicultural country in The World, and the most comfortable with it's multiculturalism)

Is that not contradicting yourself?

 

[C_C]

It's not, perhaps, quite so bad in places like Britain but I can assure you, some guy who stands-up and starts crying foul at whites will be shot-down far less absolutely than one who does it about blacks\browns.

I've seen ample instances of the exact opposite actually. In Britain, Canada, US and France.

(even though it is also easily the most multicultural country in The World, and the most comfortable with it's multiculturalism)

Sorry but britain is nowhere close to being the most multicultural country in the world.
If i were to pick two or three nations about multiculturalism, it would be China, India and maybe Brazil.
Simply having a bucketload of immigrants and restaurants serving 200 different cuisines doesnt multicultural a country make.
I've personally never seen anything remotely approaching India in terms of multiculturalism and i am not saying that coz i am from India - simply because the diversity is incredible and equal, unlike in the west where there is a 'dominant culture'.

And no, i dont see how it borders on racism- Britain isnt the only white nation and neither is it representative of 'white nations' in the world.
The author showed his dislike of Britain due to typical British stuffyness in the media circles and the senseless panderings many of the media personalities engage in.
British culture often irks people from Asia, simply because many Britons think that they are an extremely cultured society when in reality Britain isnt even the most culturally rich nation in europe by a longshot, nevermind far older cultural regions such as Asia or Africa.

 

[Swervy]

Once again, I'll say it - I don't dispute that.
.... Britain, which is one of the most prominent, most obvious "white" countries (even though it is also easily the most multicultural country in The World, and the most comfortable with it's multiculturalism)

oh please Richard, a rather naive view of britain I think

 

[luckyeddie]

oh please Richard, a rather naive view of britain I think

You forget - Yorkshire started accepting 'foreigners' into their team almost two decades ago. You can't more integrated than that.