All Rounders Poll - Discussion

[sayon basak]

(subs is voting but trolling part-timers since top 10)

Can you prove that they're part timers tho?

 

[subshakerz]

Pretty sure it's a way of protesting against how vague the term "All rounder" is.

Well someone else also voted Vettori after me and I don't think it was trolling.

 

[sayon basak]

Well someone else also voted Vettori after me and I don't think it was trolling.

Also voted Afridi lol.

 

[sayon basak]

you're ruining a good thread

Debatable.

 

[sayon basak]

Not debatable at all, you add little value to any cricket discussion on allrounders

I respect your opinion.

BTW How far did you go with your 25 average and 2.5 WPM huh? (Guess you changed that as you realized Kallis doesn't fit in)

 

[kyear2]

Moreover batting down the order is generally when batting becomes easier and bowling as 4th is mostly when bowling becomes difficult.. @subshakerz

Something that's very much overrated.

Batting 8th is the absolute easiest of batting conditions. Depending on scenario, the ball is at its oldest, the bowlers are tired and the early life from the pitch is long gone.

Bowling 4th or 5th slot, you're bowling the dog overs with the spinner, giving the primary guys a rest before the next new ball. You don't get the ball at it's hardest, and if it starts to reverse, the top 3 guys would generally come back on to capitalize on it.

One gets the absolute best of all.scenarios, the other the worst.

 

[subshakerz]

Something that's very much overrated.

Batting 8th is the absolute easiest of batting conditions. Depending on scenario, the ball is at its oldest, the bowlers are tired and the early life from the pitch is long gone.

Bowling 4th or 5th slot, you're bowling the dog overs with the spinner, giving the primary guys a rest before the next new ball. You don't get the ball at it's hardest, and if it starts to reverse, the top 3 guys would generally come back on to capitalize on it.

One gets the absolute best of all.scenarios, the other the worst.

@kyear2 we have been instructed not to derail this thread unless talking about ARs in the poll, otherwise I would have been able to tell you that Imran spent most of his career batting 7 and up, not 8, and the 5th bowler hardly bowls as much as the rest so it is in fact easier.

Please stick to the topic.

 

[h_hurricane]

Something that's very much overrated.

Batting 8th is the absolute easiest of batting conditions. Depending on scenario, the ball is at its oldest, the bowlers are tired and the early life from the pitch is long gone.

Bowling 4th or 5th slot, you're bowling the dog overs with the spinner, giving the primary guys a rest before the next new ball. You don't get the ball at it's hardest, and if it starts to reverse, the top 3 guys would generally come back on to capitalize on it.

One gets the absolute best of all.scenarios, the other the worst.

So Marshall gets the easiest of batting conditions and easiest of bowling conditions too.

 

[Coronis]

Batting 8th is the absolute easiest of batting conditions. Depending on scenario, the ball is at its oldest, the bowlers are tired and the early life from the pitch is long gone.

Wow

 

[subshakerz]

Wow

He is going all the way with the argument. That is commitment. Gotta respect it.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Well someone else also voted Vettori after me and I don't think it was trolling.

Vettori is definitely an allrounder. Averaged 40 with the bat for 6-7 years and was a mainline bowler who bowled a lot of overs (unfortunately didn't take enough wickets).

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Also voted Afridi lol.

Averaged more with bat than ball

 

[Qlder]

I respect your opinion.

BTW How far did you go with your 25 average and 2.5 WPM huh? (Guess you changed that as you realized Kallis doesn't fit in)

I never voted for Kallis and never will. Most boring cricketer ever

 

[subshakerz]

I never voted for Kallis snd never will. Most boring cricketer ever

Respect that. But not just boring but defensive

 

[Line and Length]

I was wondering how far we should go with this poll. We have 22 names already with about a dozen genuine contenders still gaining nominations. With Barlow added to the list, despite a relatively low WPM (1.33), there must definitely be a case for other batting all-rounders who were more than useful bowlers but who have low WPM stats.
Should we stop at 30 names or try for 40?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I was wondering how far we should go with this poll. We have 22 names already with about a dozen genuine contenders still gaining nominations. With Barlow added to the list, despite a relatively low WPM (1.33), there must definitely be a case for other batting all-rounders who were more than useful bowlers but who have low WPM stats.
Should we stop at 30 names or try for 40?

40 imo.

Unfortunately for Barlow the World XI vs England series of 1970 is not designated as a test series (it was at the time). In one match he took 12 wickets (5 and 7), and in another he took a 5-fer. He also scored 2 100s.

 

[kyear2]

@kyear2 we have been instructed not to derail this thread unless talking about ARs in the poll, otherwise I would have been able to tell you that Imran spent most of his career batting 7 and up, not 8, and the 5th bowler hardly bowls as much as the rest so it is in fact easier.

Please stick to the topic.

Never called anyone's name.

But since you brought it up, love how you phrase things.

Imran did bat the majority of his career at 7.

The spot where he batted 2nd most though was 8th. So again you misinterpret if not out right lie. He spent most of his career 7th or lower, not 6th

He hardly batted 6th for the majority of his career, with the majority coming the past few years. He batted at 8 more than he batted at 6, and again, you know this.

But you would drop your bs then say to stay on topic hoping I'll leave it be.

 

[sayon basak]

I never voted for Kallis and never will. Most boring cricketer ever

Again, respectable.

BTW is that your new definition for All rounders?

 

[sayon basak]

I was wondering how far we should go with this poll. We have 22 names already with about a dozen genuine contenders still gaining nominations. With Barlow added to the list, despite a relatively low WPM (1.33), there must definitely be a case for other batting all-rounders who were more than useful bowlers but who have low WPM stats.
Should we stop at 30 names or try for 40?

30 should do. After that it'll just get messy.

Will you also do the batsman and bowler's list after this is done? That'll be awesome.

 

[Line and Length]

I did the batsman and bowler lists last year (and previously in 2022). I think every two or 3 years for such poll is sufficient. Glad you show an interest.