All-rounder XI vs Specialist XI

[subshakerz]

Just a fun exercise. Selecting one XI with all all-rounders, giving them incredible batting depth and bowling options. The other XI with pure specialists and therefore better in pure skill. No Bradman though.

All-rounders need to have a batting average of minimum 20 and at least 50 wickets.

As keepers, Gilchrist goes with all-rounder XI and Knott in the specialist XI.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

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[Fuller Pilch]

Goddard
Simpson
Hammond
Kallis
Sobers
Faulkner
Gilchrist (wk)
Imran
Hadlee
Ashwin
Wasim


Hutton
Hobbs
Headley
Tendulkar
Smith
Lara
Knott (wk)
Marshall
Warne/Muralitharan
Barnes
McGrath

Allrounders would win imo.

Allrounder B XI is still very good

Noble
Jayasuriya
Dexter
Worrell
S Waugh
Gilly (wk)
Miller
Shakib
S Pollock
Davidson
Benaud

Edit: forgot Simpson

 

[subshakerz]

Goddard
Jayasuriya
Worrell
Kallis
Sobers
Faulkner
Gilchrist (wk)
Imran
Hadlee
Ashwin
Wasim/Davidson/Pollock


Hutton
Hobbs
Headley
Tendulkar
Smith
Lara
Knott (wk)
Marshall
Warne/Muralitharan
Barnes
McGrath

Allrounders would win imo.

Nice selections. The key advantages for the specialists is the quality of openers and spinner. Whether that would be enough to handle the depth of the all-rounders is another question.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Allrounder C

Mankad
Gayle
M Waugh
Greig
Gilly (wk)
Botham
Shakib
Jadeja
Kapil
Tate
Philander

And now it is a struggle:

Allrounder D

Shastri
Prabhakar
Rhodes
Armstrong
T Bailey
Mushtaq Mohammed
Gilly (wk)
Stokes
Cairns
Flintoff
Vaas

 

[Fuller Pilch]

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Watson
Prabhakar
Wasim Raja
Frank Woolley
Greg Matthews
Gilly (wk)
Stokes/Cairns
Flintoff
J Pattinson
Swann

 

[Red]

Just a fun exercise. Selecting one XI with all all-rounders, giving them incredible batting depth and bowling options. The other XI with pure specialists and therefore better in pure skill. No Bradman though.

All-rounders need to have a batting average of minimum 20 and at least 50 wickets.

As keepers, Gilchrist goes with all-rounder XI and Knott in the specialist XI.

Knott averaged 33 with the bat and made 30 test 50s and 5 100s.

The keeper in the specialist XI should be a gun keeper who was a very ordinary bat. Someone who never made 100

 

[CricAddict]

Shane Warne could be in ahead of Vaas/Swann/Pattinson etc. isn't it?

 

[subshakerz]

Shane Warne could be in ahead of Vaas/Swann/Pattinson etc. isn't it?

Warne wasnt an allrounder by my calculation.

 

[subshakerz]

Knott averaged 33 with the bat and made 30 test 50s and 5 100s.

The keeper in the specialist XI should be a gun keeper who was a very ordinary bat. Someone who never made 100

Fair enough. I was willing to allow some leeway on the keeper role.

 

[Line and Length]

No need to regard Gilly as the sole AR wicketkeeper.
Sangakarra, Walcott and Flower would be candidates for the B, C and D XIs

 

[subshakerz]

No need to regard Gilly as the sole AR wicketkeeper.
Sangakarra, Walcott and Flower would be candidates for the B, C and D XIs

True but Gilly was the only one I know who was worldclass in keeping skills and batting.

 

[mr_mister]

Late 90s SA vs Late 90s Australia

 

[Shady Slim]

specialists win you would think

it's law of diminishing returns with allrounders as bowlers and i don't think the extra batting makes up for it enough

 

[subshakerz]

specialists win you would think

it's law of diminishing returns with allrounders as bowlers and i don't think the extra batting makes up for it enough

Hammond, Kallis and Sobers is still a very tough middle order and then you have batting all the way until the end. In those situations, the presence of a good fifth bowler may be key.

 

[Coronis]

Knott averaged 33 with the bat and made 30 test 50s and 5 100s.

The keeper in the specialist XI should be a gun keeper who was a very ordinary bat. Someone who never made 100

Notable keepers who make this criteria include Wasim Bari, Wally Grout, Bob Taylor, Niroshan Dickwella, Bert Oldfield, Don Tallon and of course, Tim Paine.

Gonna take a moment to appreciate Oldfield btw, idc how many spinners you play with, 52 stumpings in 54 matches is ****ing insane, 85 year old record now.

 

[mr_mister]

Notable keepers who make this criteria include Wasim Bari, Wally Grout, Bob Taylor, Niroshan Dickwella, Bert Oldfield, Don Tallon and of course, Tim Paine.

Gonna take a moment to appreciate Oldfield btw, idc how many spinners you play with, 52 stumpings in 54 matches is ****ing insane, 85 year old record now.

It's interesting, I guess even back then batsman must have loved dancing down the wicket to spinners. For some reason I thought that might have been a more modern way of playing them

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Most stumpings didn’t involve batsman running down the pitch and having a slog. A good spinner using flight and guile can lure the batsman out of the crease a few inches even if playing defensively.

 

[subshakerz]

Most stumpings didn’t involve batsman running down the pitch and having a slog. A good spinner using flight and guile can lure the batsman out of the crease a few inches even if playing defensively.

Would the spinner actually aim for a stumping or for the batsmen to play loosely?

 

[tony p]

All Rounder's XI

Rhodes,
Goddard,
Kallis,
Mushtaq Mohammed,
Miller, (C)
Sobers
G.A.Faulkner,
Botham,
Gilchrist (WK),
W Akram,
Ashwin.

Specialist XI

Hobbs,
Headley,
Barrington,
V Richards,
Tendulkar,
Border, (C)
Healy (WK)
Marshall,
Warne,
Barnes,
Lillee.