All-rounder XI vs Specialist XI

[bagapath]

Yeah I reckon it'd make more sense to swap Lara and Tendulkar between teams and replace Hayden with de Villiers.

Sachin has 154 wickets in ODIs. tough to ignore that and treat him only as a batsman in that format. same with Viv; 100+ ODI wickets.

 

[ankitj]

Man, all rounders are cheaters. Keep trying to poach specialists to be competitive.

 

[honestbharani]

Man, all rounders are cheaters. Keep trying to poach specialists to be competitive.

It works for England and New Zealand tbh. ?‍

 

[TheJediBrah]

I reckon at the ATG level the all-rounders would win, but if you picked a team from any country at any point in time the specialists would win

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I reckon at the ATG level the all-rounders would win, but if you picked a team from any country at any point in time the specialists would win

South Africa early 70s (I know some would be old) - Barlow, Goddard, Rice, Procter, Tiger Lance, Dassie Biggs (what a name!), Peter de Vaal, get D'Olivera (not that he'd be picked under apartheid) and Greig back from England, Peter Pollock at a pinch, and Lee Irvine or Denis Lindsay as keeper would easily beat a specialist XI even though it would contain B Richards and G Pollock.

 

[Prince EWS]

South Africa early 70s (I know some would be old) - Barlow, Goddard, Rice, Procter, Tiger Lance, get D'Olivera (not that he'd be picked under apartheid) and Greig back from England, Peter Pollock at a pinch, plus Currie Cup allrounders and Lee Irvine or Denis Lindsay as keeper would beat a specialist XI even though it would contain B Richards and G Pollock.

Zimbabwe's allrounders would have probably beaten their specialists a fair bit across their history too.

 

[TheJediBrah]

South Africa early 70s (I know some would be old) - Barlow, Goddard, Rice, Procter, Tiger Lance, Dassie Biggs (what a name!), Peter de Vaal, get D'Olivera (not that he'd be picked under apartheid) and Greig back from England, Peter Pollock at a pinch, and Lee Irvine or Denis Lindsay as keeper would easily beat a specialist XI even though it would contain B Richards and G Pollock.

Ok there are exceptions but for the most part. If you picked a team of purely all rounders from a random country at a random point in time chances are at least half the team would be awful players that shouldn't be close to international cricket

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Maybe NZ c 2010/11 when we were terrible:

Vettori, Oram, Ryder, Franklin, CDG, Styris (still playing ODIs), Elliott, Todd Astle, young Neesham and Anderson plus Harry Boam, bring Stokes home

Would be a decent ODI side at least.

 

[Prince EWS]

South Africa around 2004:

1 Hall
2 de Bruyn
3 Duminy
4 Kallis
5 Klusener
6 Boucher
7 A Morkel
8 Pollock
9 Kemp
10 Boje
11 van der Wath

1 Smith
2 Gibbs
3 Dippenaar
4 Rudolph
5 Prince
6 van Jaarsveld
7 Tsolekile
8 Adams
9 Hayward
10 Ntini
11 Langeveldt

Hard to see who wins that one IMO. Specialists with much better openers but Kallis and Pollock are obviously big factors.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

South Africa around 2004:

1 Hall
2 de Bruyn
3 Duminy
4 Kallis
5 Klusener
6 Boucher
7 A Morkel
8 Pollock
9 Kemp
10 Boje
11 van der Wath

1 Smith
2 Gibbs
3 Dippenaar
4 Rudolph
5 Prince
6 van Jaarsveld
7 Tsolekile
8 Adams
9 Hayward
10 Ntini
11 Langeveldt

Hard to see who wins that one IMO. Specialists with much better openers but Kallis and Pollock are obviously big factors.

Kirsten finished in 2004, and AB debuted later that year. With those two the specialists' batting would be stacked. Also RTD didn't play for the Dutch until 2006 so could bat 5 for the allrounders with Klusener and Boucher dropping down one.

 

[Prince EWS]

Kirsten finished in 2004, and AB debuted later that year.

Yeah I deliberately picked that little period between their careers because the specialists would be comfortably stronger with either of them playing. I was thinking mostly of Klusener's last Test against SL in 2004 and who was around at the time.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Maybe NZ c 2010/11 when we were terrible:

Vettori, Oram, Ryder, Franklin, CDG, Styris (still playing ODIs), Elliott, Todd Astle, young Neesham and Anderson plus Harry Boam, bring Stokes home

Would be a decent ODI side at least.

Not really, even if you took them all at their peaks, which you shouldn't because they weren't all that good at the same time

Although without those players the NZ specialist side might well be worse

 

[mr_mister]

I'd be interested in the best XI South Africa could come up with in the late 90s

Klusener, Pollock, Symcox, Macmillan, Cronje, Kallis all featured in a test once together iirc

 

[Dendarii]

Klusener, Pollock, Symcox, Macmillan, Cronje, Kallis all featured in a test once together iirc

It happened at least twice.

AUS vs SA Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Melbourne, December 26 - 30, 1997

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AUS vs SA Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Adelaide, January 30 - February 03, 1998

Get cricket scorecard of 3rd Test, AUS vs SA, South Africa tour of Australia 1997/98 at Adelaide Oval dated January 30 - February 03, 1998.

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[CricAddict]

It happened at least twice.

AUS vs SA Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Melbourne, December 26 - 30, 1997

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, AUS vs SA, South Africa tour of Australia 1997/98 at Melbourne Cricket Ground dated December 26 - 30, 1997.

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AUS vs SA Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Adelaide, January 30 - February 03, 1998

Get cricket scorecard of 3rd Test, AUS vs SA, South Africa tour of Australia 1997/98 at Adelaide Oval dated January 30 - February 03, 1998.

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5 all-rounders as bowlers in that third test.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Not really, even if you took them all at their peaks, which you shouldn't because they weren't all that good at the same time

Although without those players the NZ specialist side might well be worse

We still made the 2011 WC semis (only non-Asian side) with Ryder, Styris, Oram, Vettori, and Nathan McCullum as allrounders. KDub had taken Franklin's place in the side earlier in the tournament, so he didn't play. Kyle Mills (an allrounder at 1st class level) was also in the squad and was one of the world's best ODI bowlers of that era. Elliot wasn't selected.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Really dont think its a great idea to keep Tendulkar away from his best format.

Tendulkar best format was Tests

 

[Adorable Asshole]

ODI all rounders will win. Test probbly specialists