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All-rounder XI vs Specialist XI

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subshakerz

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tony p said:
All Rounder's XI

Rhodes,
Goddard,
Kallis,
Mushtaq Mohammed,
Miller, (C)
Sobers
G.A.Faulkner,
Botham,
Gilchrist (WK),
W Akram,
Ashwin.

Specialist XI

Hobbs,
Headley,
Barrington,
V Richards,
Tendulkar,
Border, (C)
Healy (WK)
Marshall,
Warne,
Barnes,
Lillee.
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who wins?
 
ankitj

ankitj

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Basically at most 5 players in all rounders XI can substitute someone in specialists XI and improve the team; namely Sobers, Kallis, Imran, Hadlee and Gilchrist. On the other hand, 10 players (removing wicketkeeper) from specialists XI can substitute someone and improve all rounders XI. It's not even a fair contest.
 
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ankitj said:
Basically at most 5 players in all rounders XI can substitute someone in specialists XI and improve the team; namely Sobers, Kallis, Imran, Hadlee and Gilchrist. On the other hand, 10 players (removing wicketkeeper) from specialists XI can substitute someone and improve all rounders XI. It's not even a fair contest.
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One of those is not like the others. :sleep:
 
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subshakerz

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ankitj said:
Basically at most 5 players in all rounders XI can substitute someone in specialists XI and improve the team; namely Sobers, Kallis, Imran, Hadlee and Gilchrist. On the other hand, 10 players (removing wicketkeeper) from specialists XI can substitute someone and improve all rounders XI. It's not even a fair contest.
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I think its a close contest.

The specialists XI has a long tail and less bowling options. There is a lot more pressure on the top six to deliver against a bowling lineup of Imran, Hadlee, Wasim, Ashwin/Davidson plus plenty of quality bowling support.
 
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Yeah but the point of the other side is to pick specialists, and the best specialist of all time is deliberately omitted in this exercise for whatever reason, then folks go “hmm, I think the all rounders side might shade this.”

If you want to exclude the best specialist exclude the best AR (who’s Sobers let’s be honest). Otherwise pick Bradman and let this be the hammering it obviously would be if he plays
 
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subshakerz

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Burgey said:
Yeah but the point of the other side is to pick specialists, and the best specialist of all time is deliberately omitted in this exercise for whatever reason, then folks go “hmm, I think the all rounders side might shade this.”

If you want to exclude the best specialist exclude the best AR (who’s Sobers let’s be honest). Otherwise pick Bradman and let this be the hammering it obviously would be if he plays
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To put it simply, I am trying to ensure balanced competition between the two teams.

Adding Bradman into specialists is overkill and dropping Sobers is also overkill.
 
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subshakerz

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mr_mister said:
Specialists win it every time obviously. An All rounder XI is pointless as you never need more than 5-6 bowlers barring injuries
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Yeah but the specialists only have 4 bowlers and any one after that is a serious drop down in quality. I am not sure that is enough to cheaply bowl out a lineup batting until XI and including Hammond, Kallis and Sobers.

Whereas allrounders XI have frontline bowlers like Imran, Hadlee, Wasim, and then guys like Ashwin/Davidson/Miller/Faulkner/Sobers. Literally bowling for any type of match situation or pitch. I could see a situation where the top six of the specialists bat well until Imran and Wasim reverse the tailenders out of the equation.

So the question is whether the skills advantage of the specialist can overtake the sheer depth of the allrounders.
 
mr_mister

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subshakerz said:
Yeah but the specialists only have 4 bowlers and any one after that is a serious drop down in quality. I am not sure that is enough to cheaply bowl out a lineup batting until XI and including Hammond, Kallis and Sobers.

Whereas allrounders XI have frontline bowlers like Imran, Hadlee, Wasim, and then guys like Ashwin/Davidson/Miller/Faulkner/Sobers. Literally bowling for any type of match situation or pitch. I could see a situation where the top six of the specialists bat well until Imran and Wasim reverse the tailenders out of the equation.

So the question is whether the skills advantage of the specialist can overtake the sheer depth of the allrounders.
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Okay well other than Hammond and Sobers I can't think of any all rounders in the batting stratosphere of Hobbs, Hutton, Sachin, Lara, Viv, Headley, Pollock etc

I just think the ceiling is too high on the specialist batting front
 
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