3rd Test at Headingley, Leeds

[trundler]

Can we really be certain that cloud cover is more of a factor in obtaining swing than humidity?

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Can we really be certain that cloud cover is more of a factor in obtaining swing than humidity?

No, but clouds seem to be more of a factor at Headingley. Generally too cold to be humid (getting the joke in first before some other wiseguy) up north.

 

[Burgey]

This.

Look up not down at Headingley. No real cloud or just blue sky then it usually becomes as flat as anything around. Aussies could bowl us out for 275 today if it a muddling day then get 400+ tomorrow and Sunday in the sun. Just never know what will happen at Leeds.

You’ll be looking up in prayer come stumps tonight when they’re shot out with a deficit of 40 odd, rain hail or shine. Someone might do a Mark Butcher but they’re longgggggggg odds.

Genuinely laughing if you reckon the bowlers just lose a leg if its sunny. You’re taking Pat Cummins here, the flatter it is the more he gets out of it. Fmd England’s batted in sun all series. They (and we) cannot bat.

 

[Burgey]

Look we both know these are 2 **** batting lineups (save for Smith) V' s 2 very very good bowling sides. If the sun was shining on Headingley yesterday.......no way are the Aussies getting rolled for 170. All those plays and misses from Warner are sailing through the covers.

I've got little faith in our batting lineup but if the sun's shining this wickets doing **** all and we'll get a lead.

Oh I reckon our blokes would absolutely have found a way to get shot out for 180 in blazing sun because they’re ****. Lol

Edit: just having a chuckle at all of us talking about who should be in front after one side is shot out for <200.. god they’re just a couple of awful line ups. Makes for entertaining cricket at least.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

You’ll be looking up in prayer come stumps tonight when they’re shot out with a deficit of 40 odd, rain hail or shine. Someone might do a Mark Butcher but they’re longgggggggg odds.

Genuinely laughing if you reckon the bowlers just lose a leg if its sunny. You’re taking Pat Cummins here, the flatter it is the more he gets out of it. Fmd England’s batted in sun all series. They (and we) cannot bat.

Go missing again I presume when we are in the lead with only 3 or 4 down then?

 

[trundler]

Bad batting + good bowling >>>>>>>>>>>>> reading a ***** word salad> good batting and bad bowling

 

[Burgey]

Bad batting + good bowling >>>>>>>>>>>>> reading a ***** word salad> good batting and bad bowling

This is true, though in this series the latter would be a novelty

 

[Tom Flint]

Our average score in the series is 259 with one of the innings declared with 2 set batsman and 5 wickets still in hand. So what makes you so sure we are now going to be rolled for 130 I do not know

 

[Uppercut]

Said it for ages now, a surprise knee high full toss on middle stump is a highly underrated wicket taking delivery

I think they'd actually try it sometimes if it wasn't so dangerous.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Our average score in the series is 259 with one of the innings declared with 2 set batsman and 5 wickets still in hand. So what makes you so sure we are now going to be rolled for 130 I do not know

Probably still pissed as he is talking out of his arse, though you wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway.

 

[Tom Flint]

No excuses though today I have a feeling Denly might open. Root has to make runs we should be disappointed with anything less than 350

 

[stephen]

I just had a chance to watch the highlights. Wade was genuinely unlucky. Head's lack of footwork came home to roost (it was a very good ball but Head should have covered it better). Labuschagne very unlucky. Should have dispatched that for 4. The rest of the batsmen (Khawaja excluded) got out to some very good bowling. The ball to get Warner was completely unplayable. Ball of the day.

 

[Tom Flint]

Labushagne batted well again like he has done all summer, but how on earth was he unlucky lol

 

[Neptune]

Our average score in the series is 259 with one of the innings declared with 2 set batsman and 5 wickets still in hand. So what makes you so sure we are now going to be rolled for 130 I do not know

Yeh, some very odd posts from certain people in this thread.

 

[Burgey]

Our average score in the series is 259 with one of the innings declared with 2 set batsman and 5 wickets still in hand. So what makes you so sure we are now going to be rolled for 130 I do not know

And that innings inflates the series average, presumably. The reasons I feel england won’t take a lead here and likely concede one are:

- they’ve been fortunate to have the best of conditions to bat in thus far and they have been unable p do anything with it;
- the deck will likely do a bit, not as much as session one yesterday, but enough;
- Roy is a walking wicket, which exposes;
- Root who is out of nick and averages mid-30s since becoming skipper and
-Denly, who actually looks good from what little I’ve seen of him but seems to just get out all the time;
- Buttler obviously a terrific LO player, but people on here are talking about a career defining 30 last week. I mean, come on;
-Stokes - obviously quality but has a glaring weakness against Lyon and was blessed last week to make double figures;
- Bairstow - see Stokes, except he has a weakness to balls actually bowled on the stumps;
- This is the best attack Australia has put on the park so far which doesn’t rely on swing. They’re disciplined with it; and
- Cummins, who even if it’s flat gets more out of flat decks than any other bowler going around

 

[stephen]

Tbf Australia doesn't have Siddle this game. Our attack is stronger than the last two tests.

 

[Burgey]

As opposed to the contrary view of “Lol it’s sunny. Ozzies r fukted.”

 

[Uppercut]

And that innings inflates the series average, presumably. The reasons I feel england won’t take a lead here and likely concede one are:

- they’ve been fortunate to have the best of conditions to bat in thus far and they have been unable p do anything with it;
- the deck will likely do a bit, not as much as session one yesterday, but enough;
- Roy is a walking wicket, which exposes;
- Root who is out of nick and averages mid-30s since becoming skipper and
-Denly, who actually looks good from what little I’ve seen of him but seems to just get out all the time;
- Buttler obviously a terrific LO player, but people on here are talking about a career defining 30 last week. I mean, come on;
-Stokes - obviously quality but has a glaring weakness against Lyon and was blessed last week to make double figures;
- Bairstow - see Stokes, except he has a weakness to balls actually bowled on the stumps;
- This is the best attack Australia has put on the park so far which doesn’t rely on swing. They’re disciplined with it; and
- Cummins, who even if it’s flat gets more outnumbered of decks than any other bowler going around

179 is the type of score you get when all of the above is true and conditions are great for bowling. The edges of Rory Burns's bat alone could get them halfway there.

I'd expect something more like the 250 they got at Lord's.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Not saying they are ****ed but we should be able to get 300+ on the board which is a huge lead in the circumstances. Also the movement becomes far less when the sun is out at Headingley. Don't let facts get in the way of your boozed up fog though.

 

[vcs]

The role of pure, blind luck in cricket is very underrated. Sometimes all the balls miss the edge, or all the edges go between the slip fielders, a clueless looking batsman somehow flukes his way to 30 and then starts playing much better.