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2004/05 Australian domestic season thread
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Robertinho
Cricketer Of The Year
Cosgrove!!! 
Robertinho
Cricketer Of The Year
Yep, definitely. He's one to look out for, though.
AUST_HiTMaN
International Debutant
If he even gets off the mark that is... 
Had a shocking run a little while back.
I've heard several cricketing 'experts' label Brett Dorey as a smokey for the Ashes tour, given a few more good performances (against tassie tomorrow/today would be nice) and he'd be an alright roughie, however at present it's a little far-fetched. Even still, not bad for a bloke who doesn't even have a WACA contract for the season!
Had a shocking run a little while back. I've heard several cricketing 'experts' label Brett Dorey as a smokey for the Ashes tour, given a few more good performances (against tassie tomorrow/today would be nice) and he'd be an alright roughie, however at present it's a little far-fetched. Even still, not bad for a bloke who doesn't even have a WACA contract for the season!
Hoggy31
International Captain
Even though im a big big fan of Dorey there is no way he will be on the Ashes tour, he might play for Australia further on in the future. If Dorey is picked for the Ashes i'll walk to SydneyAUST_HiTMaN said:If he even gets off the mark that is...
I've heard several cricketing 'experts' label Brett Dorey as a smokey for the Ashes tour, given a few more good performances (against tassie tomorrow/today would be nice) and he'd be an alright roughie, however at present it's a little far-fetched. Even still, not bad for a bloke who doesn't even have a WACA contract for the season!
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Mr Casson
Cricketer Of The Year
Note to Cricket Australia:
FIX YOUR CRAPPY WEBSITE!
Another complete bomb-out during the Western Australia vs. Tasmania match, saying WA is 1/23 (and also 3/23) after 12 overs. Now I'm panicking, but I'm not sure if it's just CA's site being a piece of junk. Cricinfo has shown that it is not impossible to make a working, up-to-date site WITH commentary, so I'm really peeved that CA has taken live domestic scores for themselves and then can't provide a reliable service to the fans.
FIX YOUR CRAPPY WEBSITE!
Another complete bomb-out during the Western Australia vs. Tasmania match, saying WA is 1/23 (and also 3/23) after 12 overs. Now I'm panicking, but I'm not sure if it's just CA's site being a piece of junk. Cricinfo has shown that it is not impossible to make a working, up-to-date site WITH commentary, so I'm really peeved that CA has taken live domestic scores for themselves and then can't provide a reliable service to the fans.
Robertinho
Cricketer Of The Year
They should have commentary for all the domestic games.. They even have commentary for SAF Domestic.. >=(
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'd rephrase that. Thornely SHOULDN'T play for Australia. Thornely has one thing in his favour - he is from N.S.W.Mr Casson said:
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
michael klinger is still playing grade cricket for st. kilda this year. IIRC was the highest run-maker in district cricket last year, or thereabouts. hasn't had the greatest year this year, but made a ton versus camberwell on the weekend, supporting graeme rummans's 233* (fair to say that st. kilda won easy). consensus was that klinger got found out at first class level, and when the elliotts and arnbergers etc. leave, he could well still be in line for a recall.
and to marc, i was more intimating that hussey should get picked for the tour. but looking into my extremely hazy topsy turvy crystal ball, when michael clarke gets dropped halfway through the ashes series as he gets found out playing against quality pace bowling in helpful conditions, then michael hussey will get the call up.
and to marc, i was more intimating that hussey should get picked for the tour. but looking into my extremely hazy topsy turvy crystal ball, when michael clarke gets dropped halfway through the ashes series as he gets found out playing against quality pace bowling in helpful conditions, then michael hussey will get the call up.
AUST_HiTMaN
International Debutant
I wholeheartedly agree, just saying what the talk is around the place. Wayne Clark mentioned it on an interview on Sports FM last Friday - about all the talk regarding Dorey.Hoggy31 said:Even though im a big big fan of Dorey there is no way he will be on the Ashes tour, he might play for Australia further on in the future. If Dorey is picked for the Ashes i'll walk to Sydney
As I said in the original post, far fetched.
Bloody dissapointing about Bevan taking Tassie to victory, we really are struggling in ING.
WA squad for Tasmania Pura: Justin Langer (C), Michael Hussey, Ryan Campbell, Murray Goodwin, Beau Casson, Brett Dorey, Ben Edmondson, Steve Magoffin, Shaun Marsh, Marcus North, Chris Rogers and Brad Williams.
I'm guessing Magoffin for 12th man, however the WA selectors have a reputation for pulling ones out of the bag, I reckon Beau Casson will play (hears Mr Cass cheer), none of that 4 prong pace crap in Tasmania!
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Josh
International Regular
Four-Day Spot Must go to Crosthwaite
by Darren Berry
At the start of the season, I watched with interest which way the Victorian selectors would go with the wicketkeeping position, given it was something I held so dear for 14 years. Conservatively, they chose to split the job between Peter Roach and Adam Crosthwaite.
Roach, 29, the long-time understudy with solid credentials, assumed the gloves for the longer version of the game, while the up-and-coming Crosthwaite, 20, was blooded in the one-day format. The time has now come to bite the bullet and install Crosthwaite in both versions of the game.
It will be a tough call on Roach, who has waited patiently for a regular chance to display his talents at state level. He is a hard-working and intelligent cricketer, respected for the job he has done as a fill-in over the past decade.
For the first time in his career, he is now the main man, and it is much harder to maintain your standards as the regular as opposed to the fill-in. He would be extremely disappointed with his batting this season, which in the past was touted as a strength. In 10 first-class innings, he has made just more than 100 runs at an average of 13.62.
Behind the stumps, he has been safe without putting a stamp on the job to make it his own. During the most recent Pura Cup match in Brisbane, he took a couple of nice snares but also missed a few chances that dissected the gap between Roach and his skipper at first slip.
This has been one of his weaknesses and is a technical flaw that could be corrected. As he comes out of his crouch, he becomes flat-footed as opposed to being on the balls of his feet. He regularly has his weight back on his heels, which makes swift movement impossible.
Consequently, sharp edges that dart between the keeper and slip occasionally sail through untouched. Instead of moving his feet across to collect these chances, he tends to dive towards the ball with only moderate success. Former Australian keeper Rod Marsh once said "diving should be the absolute last resort" and that "a keeper who can't keep his feet has no feet".
Crosthwaite has impressed everyone with his keeping in the ING Cup and for the future of Victorian cricket, and more importantly Australian cricket, it is now time for him to take the gloves in the longer version. With all respect to Roach, he will never play for Australia. But Crosthwaite has age on his side and natural talent that may one day develop to international standard.
The selectors were undecided at the start of the season whether he had what it takes at his age to step into both roles. His catch at the Junction Oval to dismiss Murray Goodwin off Brad Knowles was a beauty. He recently fulfilled a childhood dream by catching West Indian captain Brian Lara standing up to the stumps to Tim Welsford. His two tidy stumpings off Shane Warne in Perth last week confirmed he is ready to take the next step. His glovework seems to have grown in confidence as the season has unfolded.
His batting has been spectacular, with a strike rate of 127. His half-century at the Gabba was a matchwinner and he followed this up in Wednesday's Twenty20 game in Perth with another cheeky and dashing half-century. He soon may be promoted to open the batting in limited-overs cricket. He is unorthodox and adventurous, which suits the pyjama game, but his technique is sound enough for the game's longer version.
Like most talented youngsters in the modern era, he has a presence about him on the field, believes in his ability and is prepared to back his ability regardless of the opposition. Andy Bichel was infuriated when Crosthwaite went down on one knee and swept him over the keeper's head during the half-century at the Gabba. Bichel suggested he might "remove the head off your shoulders if you do that again".
Very next ball, the youngster did exactly the same thing. It's not something many would have the courage to try, let alone execute. The next ball, Bichel bounced him in an attempt to remove his head, Crosthwaite responded by pulling him over the boundary rope for six, then to complete the over, he smacked the next ball over cover for six. Bichel stormed off and Victoria knew it had found a player.
Another caught up in this difficult situation is the other worthy contender for the gloves in Nathan Pilon, who ignored a contract offer from NSW and hooked up with Premier Cricket club Carlton. He is an accomplished gloveman and more than capable with the bat, but it appears the rise and rise of Crosthwaite could nobble his prospects of playing for Victoria.
Adam Gilchrist has a good few years left in him yet, but perhaps beyond the 2007 World Cup, it will be time to look to the next long-term Australian keeper. There are some good ones emerging, including Western Australia's Luke Ronchi and Chris Hartley in Queensland, who are both waiting for long-serving guys such as Ryan Campbell and Wade Seccombe to call it a day.
Victoria has a chance to put Crosthwaite at the head of the queue by making the tough call and promoting him to the Pura Cup team. It would be nice to think when Gilchrist eventually moves aside that the next Test gloveman could come from this state. It is a long time since a Victorian, Len Maddocks in the mid-1950s, wore the gloves in a Test match for Australia (Richie Robinson played three Tests against England as a batsman in 1977).
If there is any chance of that changing in the near future, the time is right to promote Crosthwaite.
by Darren Berry
At the start of the season, I watched with interest which way the Victorian selectors would go with the wicketkeeping position, given it was something I held so dear for 14 years. Conservatively, they chose to split the job between Peter Roach and Adam Crosthwaite.
Roach, 29, the long-time understudy with solid credentials, assumed the gloves for the longer version of the game, while the up-and-coming Crosthwaite, 20, was blooded in the one-day format. The time has now come to bite the bullet and install Crosthwaite in both versions of the game.
It will be a tough call on Roach, who has waited patiently for a regular chance to display his talents at state level. He is a hard-working and intelligent cricketer, respected for the job he has done as a fill-in over the past decade.
For the first time in his career, he is now the main man, and it is much harder to maintain your standards as the regular as opposed to the fill-in. He would be extremely disappointed with his batting this season, which in the past was touted as a strength. In 10 first-class innings, he has made just more than 100 runs at an average of 13.62.
Behind the stumps, he has been safe without putting a stamp on the job to make it his own. During the most recent Pura Cup match in Brisbane, he took a couple of nice snares but also missed a few chances that dissected the gap between Roach and his skipper at first slip.
This has been one of his weaknesses and is a technical flaw that could be corrected. As he comes out of his crouch, he becomes flat-footed as opposed to being on the balls of his feet. He regularly has his weight back on his heels, which makes swift movement impossible.
Consequently, sharp edges that dart between the keeper and slip occasionally sail through untouched. Instead of moving his feet across to collect these chances, he tends to dive towards the ball with only moderate success. Former Australian keeper Rod Marsh once said "diving should be the absolute last resort" and that "a keeper who can't keep his feet has no feet".
Crosthwaite has impressed everyone with his keeping in the ING Cup and for the future of Victorian cricket, and more importantly Australian cricket, it is now time for him to take the gloves in the longer version. With all respect to Roach, he will never play for Australia. But Crosthwaite has age on his side and natural talent that may one day develop to international standard.
The selectors were undecided at the start of the season whether he had what it takes at his age to step into both roles. His catch at the Junction Oval to dismiss Murray Goodwin off Brad Knowles was a beauty. He recently fulfilled a childhood dream by catching West Indian captain Brian Lara standing up to the stumps to Tim Welsford. His two tidy stumpings off Shane Warne in Perth last week confirmed he is ready to take the next step. His glovework seems to have grown in confidence as the season has unfolded.
His batting has been spectacular, with a strike rate of 127. His half-century at the Gabba was a matchwinner and he followed this up in Wednesday's Twenty20 game in Perth with another cheeky and dashing half-century. He soon may be promoted to open the batting in limited-overs cricket. He is unorthodox and adventurous, which suits the pyjama game, but his technique is sound enough for the game's longer version.
Like most talented youngsters in the modern era, he has a presence about him on the field, believes in his ability and is prepared to back his ability regardless of the opposition. Andy Bichel was infuriated when Crosthwaite went down on one knee and swept him over the keeper's head during the half-century at the Gabba. Bichel suggested he might "remove the head off your shoulders if you do that again".
Very next ball, the youngster did exactly the same thing. It's not something many would have the courage to try, let alone execute. The next ball, Bichel bounced him in an attempt to remove his head, Crosthwaite responded by pulling him over the boundary rope for six, then to complete the over, he smacked the next ball over cover for six. Bichel stormed off and Victoria knew it had found a player.
Another caught up in this difficult situation is the other worthy contender for the gloves in Nathan Pilon, who ignored a contract offer from NSW and hooked up with Premier Cricket club Carlton. He is an accomplished gloveman and more than capable with the bat, but it appears the rise and rise of Crosthwaite could nobble his prospects of playing for Victoria.
Adam Gilchrist has a good few years left in him yet, but perhaps beyond the 2007 World Cup, it will be time to look to the next long-term Australian keeper. There are some good ones emerging, including Western Australia's Luke Ronchi and Chris Hartley in Queensland, who are both waiting for long-serving guys such as Ryan Campbell and Wade Seccombe to call it a day.
Victoria has a chance to put Crosthwaite at the head of the queue by making the tough call and promoting him to the Pura Cup team. It would be nice to think when Gilchrist eventually moves aside that the next Test gloveman could come from this state. It is a long time since a Victorian, Len Maddocks in the mid-1950s, wore the gloves in a Test match for Australia (Richie Robinson played three Tests against England as a batsman in 1977).
If there is any chance of that changing in the near future, the time is right to promote Crosthwaite.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Who Cares!?
Son Of Coco
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes, yes, yes. haha On current form Symonds must have lived there in a past life thenMister Wright said:
AUST_HiTMaN
International Debutant
Yep, pity Ronchi can't do it for us in ING.Hoggy31 said:
Always performs in the matches it doesnt matter. Lilac Hill, 50 off 40odd balls, WA 2nds vs Pakistan, 66 from 40 odd balls, Twenty20 64 from 24 balls, PM's XI 40 from 13. Argh, just score something half decent in ING!
But yeah the PM's XI game was a success for our boys,.
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AUST_HiTMaN
International Debutant
Yep, funny I posted that a day before the Twenty20Hoggy31 said:and 52 of 25 in Australia Day's Twent20 match...
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So much for all this talk about David Hussey - he has been dropped from the Victorian side, and finally South Australia have seen the light and dropped the disapointing Cosgrove.