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    Ravichandran Ashwin vs Allan Donald

    :detective
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    Ravindra Jadeja vs Ian Botham

    I don't think you can so easily generalize about impact to differentiate between being excellent in one game and poor in another or good in two. It is going to be situational. Personal preference and the awesome factor I think. Would you mark a bat down for going 100, 0 instead of 50, 50...
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    Ravindra Jadeja vs Ian Botham

    I get the desire to rate a player performing in the same game higher. I'm not sure it should make a difference though. With the possible exception of meaning they aren't someone who just abuses pitches suited to batting and bowling.
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    Ravindra Jadeja vs Ian Botham

    Ya, I don't mean that an example needs to be as extreme as Rhodes, but I can understand wanting peaks to intersect.
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    Ravindra Jadeja vs Ian Botham

    Are you any less rounded if your performances come in different matches? Although maybe you guys mean simultaneously in the sense of not having a career llik Wilfred Rhodes. This I can understand.
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    Ravindra Jadeja vs Ian Botham

    Is there a reason this should matter?
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    Virat Kohli vs AB de Villiers (ODIs)

    I can't decide whose utterly dodgy criticisms of the player they don't fancy I like less.
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    Lara vs De Villiers against pace

    Ya. The number of good express bowlers is absolutely tiny. Unless the intention is to measure quality against express specifically, it shouldn't count for much. In the same way, your record against poor/mediocre/good bowling is a lot more important than your record against great bowling. I'm...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    IDK. Never saw him bowl. Favoured his right for thowing IIRC, and batted kinda like he had the dominant hand on top. If he'd be ambidextrous, I think we would have heard. Error in google maybe?
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    De Kock threw with his right. May as well stick with Gilchrist.
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    Rank in order as batsmen: Chappell vs Gavaskar vs Richards vs Kallis vs Lara

    I find it a bit funny how some people will use playing for a weak team as proof of a bat's quality, and others will use playing in a strong team. One of these has got to be off.
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    Ravichandran Ashwin vs Ian Botham

    I'm not sure if people apply the primary thing to Botham. He seems to be assessed as an overall package. IDK where people who want primary draw the line at looking at overall package though. Botham? Dev? Pollock? Ashwin? Wasim? Warne? Worse? Drawing a line anywhere feels very arbitrary to me.
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    Ashwin vs Kumble

    There is nobody in this thread denying the importance of seam, or that it varies across countries.
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    Ashwin vs Kumble

    Philander was a seam bowler and Steyn was a swing bowler. Steyn didn't because he couldn't do it as well as swing. I think his seam presentation and wrist flick were not the best for seam. Sure, he got some wickets from movement off the deck. But probably less than any other bowler I've seen...
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    Ashwin vs Kumble

    OFC seam is hugely important. I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim otherwise. People forget how big a factor swing is in RSA games though. We have a ton of posts in this thread talking about the decks, and I'm the only one talking about swing at all. See Steyn, who barely ever moved the...
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    Rank these 5 Test openers in order ( Boycott, Greenidge, Hayden, Sehwag, G Smith )

    A good bowler doesn't make a good attack. They all had some real junk, and were all weak. There being reasons for facing weaker attacks doesn't change the fact that he faced weaker attacks. You can only play what's put in front of you, but for every player, we use the quality of who they played...
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    Ashwin vs Kumble

    That's a big factor. But there are a bunch. Swing is responsible for a ton of wickets in RSA. Pretty much every team has had really good bowlers and iffy bats recently. RSA more so than anyone else, and they are 50% of innings in RSA. Batting SRs have gone up a lot recently. This is...
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    All-Time South Africa XIs - A re-run

    Fair, but he's not at ATG level for me. They might end up a bit better, or a bit worse. I would take the no tests as a pair above Philader and Morkel, but not a lot in it. VD Bijl is the one guy I'm sure would have ended up an ATG, and likely a high level one. He's RSAs best domestic bowler...
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    All-Time South Africa XIs - A re-run

    There's some serious bat deep in the no test, although that applies to the B team too. I think the no test is a fair distance ahead on bowling. Rice is ridiculously good by 5th bowler standards, and ten Doescharte is a freebee. I regard the spinners as a bit of a wash, being hard to estimate...
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    Ashwin vs Kumble

    This contention is wrong. It is the venues that make the difference. Maharaj takes a bit over 1 WPM @55 on the grounds Ashwin has played at. He takes close to 5 WPM @ 23 at the others. India have not been great players of spin like in the past. But I would still call them the world's best...

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