Battle of the Middle Orders

[Johan]

Nz and even Pakistan to an extent. This is compared to ABD ofc.

Don't really think NZ is much of a hole if you perform in the harder England, where he averaged 44 with 4 hundreds including his world XI tour.

 

[subshakerz]

*46. 50 while not opening. Over 5 more years.

Yeah basically a 4 point difference in average is easily accounted for flat era and batting at 6 most of the time.

I don't mind you saying Laxman is better, but pretending they are levels apart just shows you don't know Mark Waugh at all.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'm familiar with Laxmans standout innings. You aren't with Mark Waughs though or his career which is why you are responding with raw average arguments.

I am familiar with Mark Waugh and the overhyping he got 2 decades ago. No one even rate him in their top 70 by know, and I have certainly not seen anyone over Laxman.

 

[Thala_0710]

Yeah, but his India and Australia record are ATG

Which is true, but ABD was very good everywhere, adaptable to any bowling attack or surface, and at his best one of the best ever. I wouldn't say that about Lloyd, as good as he was.
Also as pointed out by @Coronis, the major reason for SA over WI is Amla being easier clear of Richardson.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah basically a 4 point difference in average is easily accounted for flat era and batting at 6 most of the time.

I don't mind you saying Laxman is better, but pretending they are levels apart just shows you don't know Mark Waugh at all.

I love how you are just FLAT out ignoring their 5 years gap. They are in separate tiers, stop overrating Junior.

 

[Thala_0710]

Don't really think NZ is much of a hole if you perform in the harder England, where he averaged 44 with 4 hundreds including his world XI tour.

It's still a hole though, even though his record in ENG.

 

[honestbharani]

Maugh was very good. VVS was great. So VVS 100 times out of 100.

 

[subshakerz]

I am familiar with Mark Waugh and the overhyping he got 2 decades ago. No one even rate him in their top 70 by know, and I have certainly not seen anyone over Laxman.

Lol it's ok I would just advise you to look more into Mark Waughs career rather than make reflexive judgments.

 

[Johan]

Which is true, but ABD was very good everywhere, adaptable to any bowling attack or surface, and at his best one of the best ever. I wouldn't say that about Lloyd, as good as he was.
Also as pointed out by @Coronis, the major reason for SA over WI is Amla being easier clear of Richardson.

no offense intended of course, but I don't think people have a bigger gap between Amla and Richardson than they do between Viv and Kallis

 

[subshakerz]

I love how you are just FLAT out ignoring their 5 years gap. They are in separate tiers, stop overrating Junior.

No that's a fair point in favor of Laxman but not a deal breaker for me, I saw both in their careers and just consider Waugh a more quality bat.

 

[Coronis]

no offense intended of course, but I don't think people have a bigger gap between Amla and Richardson than they do between Viv and Kallis

Well just for some context at least. On that poll we did the rankings were

Viv 7
Kallis 14
de Villiers 31
Amla 42
Lloyd 44
Richardson not a single vote for top 60

So yeah I think its safe to say most people here have a huge gap between Amla and Richardson.

 

[Thala_0710]

Well just for some context at least. On that poll we did the rankings were

Viv 7
Kallis 14
de Villiers 31
Amla 42
Lloyd 44
Richardson not a single vote for top 60

So yeah I think its safe to say most people here have a huge gap between Amla and Richardson.

Was basically typing this out.
(Amla beat Lloyd btw)

 

[capt_Luffy]

Lol it's ok I would just advise you to look more into Mark Waughs career rather than make reflexive judgments.

I would advise you to judge players better. Hope you recover.

 

[subshakerz]

So yeah I think its safe to say most people here have a huge gap between Amla and Richardson.

Amla was arguably the best bat in the world in the early 2010s along with Clarke.

 

[subshakerz]

I would advise you to judge players better. Hope you recover.

Nah I don't mind those voting Laxman. But you clearly are making a snap judgment, which is fine I guess, it happens.

 

[Johan]

Well just for some context at least. On that poll we did the rankings were

Viv 7
Kallis 14
de Villiers 31
Amla 42
Lloyd 44
Richardson not a single vote for top 60

So yeah I think its safe to say most people here have a huge gap between Amla and Richardson.

This had Graeme Smith beat Root iirc, invalid.

 

[Coronis]

This had Graeme Smith beat Root iirc, invalid.

I’m not necessarily saying the rankings are the be all and end all. But you were mentioning about how people overall don’t think there’s that much of a gap between Amla and Richardson. I think the results show that plenty of people do.

 

[Thala_0710]

This had Graeme Smith beat Root iirc, invalid.

Yeah but even if the gap between Amla-Richardson < gap between Viv-Kallis, ABD also beats Lloyd, even if you think the gap is relatively small (which again, other's don't).
I actually believe Lloyd is a very good batsman and was underrated in that poll, but still ABD wins easily.

 

[Johan]

Yeah but even if the gap between Amla-Richardson < gap between Viv-Kallis, ABD also beats Lloyd, even if you think the gap is relatively small (which again, other's don't)

I don't think the gap is small, I think Lloyd is better

 

[capt_Luffy]

No that's a fair point in favor of Laxman but not a deal breaker for me, I saw both in their careers and just consider Waugh a more quality bat.

Might just for Slater over Chanderpaul for the 90s