2024–25 Australian Domestic Season

[GoodAreasShane]

My God you're dishonest. First up your "point" is a bromide to console yourself for being shown up. The practice has been consistent, if occasional or rare throughout cricket history. So you can't rely on your point, not that it was valid in the first place.

You have still comprehensively failed to list anyone who had a comparable body of work (or lack thereof) before entering Test cricket to Konstas and genuinely made a early success of it. Nobody. Not a one.

His Shield record before Tests for those wondering:

10, 23
26, 35
4
57
152, 105
2, 43
28
39, 14
88

Then in the A series:

0, 16
3, 73*

So that's 718 runs at 42.23. Now that's impressive for a 19 year old rookie, but still nowhere near enough runs in total to justify a Test callup, especially when over 36% of those runs came in one game







A young bat needs more than one good season to truly demonstrate they know their on game in this modern era of cricket. Exposing tsuch a player to the cauldron of test cricket and all the related attention and scrutiny is just not the way to do things. And no, citing players who played generations ago in a a place with a sparse at best FC system (the old West Indians especially fit into this category) is NOT relevant

 

[the big bambino]

You have still comprehensively failed to list anyone who had a comparable body of work (or lack thereof) before entering Test cricket to Konstas and genuinely made a early success of it. Nobody. Not a one.

I’m beginning to think you have no scruples; and I’m being charitable saying that. I gave several examples. Blinkered and venal. Quite the piece of work.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I’m beginning to think you have no scruples; and I’m being charitable saying that. I gave several examples. Blinkered and venal. Quite the piece of work.

And no, citing players who played generations ago in a a place with a sparse at best FC system (the old West Indians especially fit into this category) is NOT relevant

 

[Starfighter]

Can you two argue somewhere else please?

 

[Qlder]

You have still comprehensively failed to list anyone who had a comparable body of work (or lack thereof) before entering Test cricket to Konstas and genuinely made a early success of it. Nobody. Not a one.

His Shield record before Tests for those wondering:

10, 23
26, 35
4
57
152, 105
2, 43
28
39, 14
88

Then in the A series:

0, 16
3, 73*

So that's 718 runs at 42.23. Now that's impressive for a 19 year old rookie, but still nowhere near enough runs in total to justify a Test callup, especially when over 36% of those runs came in one game

Thought it'd be interesting to compare Doug Walters to Sam Konstas.

Doug Walters also had only 9 Shield matches before his Test debut. He was also 19 and had only 2 shield centuries in consecutive innings like Konstas. Walters had 632 runs at 48.61 on Test debut

Shield Record
1, 50
60, 14
1,109*
120
10, 74*
56, 10
49, 1
12, 3
62*

Dougie then did better than Konstas though in that he hit 155 on Test debut

 

[Kraken]

what does Lachie Shaw have to do to get a gig over Gilkes ffs

also - Hatcher again??? good lord he's pump at this level

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Thought it'd be interesting to compare Doug Walters to Sam Konstas.

Doug Walters also had only 9 Shield matches before his Test debut. He was also 19 and had only 2 shield centuries in consecutive innings like Konstas. Walters had 632 shield runs at 48.61 on Test debut

Shield Record
1, 50
60, 14
1,109*
120
10, 74*
56, 10
49, 1
12, 3
62*

Dougie then did better than Konstas though in that he hit 155 on Test debut

OK now to be fair that is actually pretty close. Walters has a couple more 50+ scores, and more not outs (which is likely at least in part due to batting further down the order, iirc he also bowled a fair few overs of mediums at that early stage of his career) but other than that there isn't that much to separate their respective records at that time

Still a looooong way from being a contemporary comparison though

 

[the big bambino]

OK now to be fair that is actually pretty close. Walters has a couple more 50+ scores, and more not outs (which is likely at least in part due to batting further down the order, iirc he also bowled a fair few overs of mediums at that early stage of his career) but other than that there isn't that much to separate their respective records at that time

Still a looooong way from being a contemporary comparison though

People mention Walters or Sobers or Duminy because they think the bold is irrelevant.

 

[Burgey]

Y No Big ***eh for SA?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

People mention Walters or Sobers or Duminy because they think the bold is irrelevant.

It simply isn't though, no matter how much you hyperventilate otherwise. The level of attention and scrutiny is that involved in the current game is far in excess of what someone who was around when it was pretty much only the written press and live radio coverage that existed as cricketing media. No place to hide in the modern day

As for Duminy however, that one was irrelevant on the basis that what you said about him was just blatantly factually incorrect

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Y No Big ***eh for SA?

Back spasms apparently, probably precautionary to some degree

 

[Qlder]

Y No Big ***eh for SA?

Apparently he's been rested to manage his workload

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Absolute cracker of a yorker from Buckingham to get Kellaway out just then

 

[the big bambino]

It simply isn't though, no matter how much you hyperventilate otherwise. The level of attention and scrutiny is that involved in the current game is far in excess of what someone who was around when it was pretty much only the written press and live radio coverage that existed as cricketing media. No place to hide in the modern day

As for Duminy however, that one was irrelevant on the basis that what you said about him was just blatantly factually incorrect

Just excuses. My list ran out at 5 fc matches. If I had 10 i'd have had Walters. I suspect SRT would be close too. He debuted at 16. But lemme guess that was the tuktuk era or something.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Just excuses. My list ran out at 5 fc matches. If I had 10 i'd have had Walters. I suspect SRT would be close too. He debuted at 16. But lemme guess that was the tuktuk era or something.

If Duminy was genuinely on it, your list is absolutely worthless

Can't comprehend how you can still try to stand by that one. Time for you to quit while you're behind

 

[Qlder]

A bit concerning Lyon out for the rest of Shield season with his hip problem. So that's the entire Test attack out with injuries (except for Webster)

 

[Qlder]

The Vics must really rate Sam Elliott's batting having him come in at #7

 

[GoodAreasShane]

The Vics must really rate Sam Elliott's batting having him come in at #7

The Vics have been going for that balance most of the year, Sutherland has been at 7 for a lot of the time. Not a fan personally, think they are honestly light on batting somewhat

 

[the big bambino]

If Duminy was genuinely on it, your list is absolutely worthless

Can't comprehend how you can still try to stand by that one. Time for you to quit while you're behind

So you don’t rate SRT? - ok then. Not surprised. Anyone who thinks cricketers of the past weren’t scrutinised really doesn’t know anything about the game.

 

[Qlder]

The Vics have been going for that balance most of the year, Sutherland has been at 7 for a lot of the time. Not a fan personally, think they are honestly light on batting somewhat

I understood when it was Sutherland at 7 but he's a much better bat than Elliott. Definitely looks a batter short with Harper at 6