The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Johan]

@Johan how does this make you feel

It's cool that he agrees the most underrated Batsmen on CW aka Viv Richards is above Sunil Gavaskar

 

[kyear2]

Damn are we really gonna rate Gavaskar below Boycott now? Why don't we rate Gooch ahead of him as well?

I e seen Bumble suggest he rates Boycott higher.

I personally don't, but in the 70's Boycott was rated higher, at least the first half.

 

[Johan]

Gavaskar got 12 votes in the ESPN Five cricketers of the century, Hutton got 11.

This is almost as awful as the Kapil Dev>Sunil Gavaskar takes I see cuz Wisden or whatever

 

[capt_Luffy]

This is almost as awful as the Kapil Dev>Sunil Gavaskar takes I see cuz Wisden or whatever

You are pushing it

 

[kyear2]

That's only for Grace and Hobbs (and Trumper).
Btw That's arguably true for Richards as well yk?? He arguably was behind Chappell and Bpycott in the 70s (16th highest scorer that decade) and behind a bunch like Border, Miandad, Crowe, etc. in the 80s as well. So how come he's better than Trumper, the best batsman of the 1910s????

Richards was seen as the best batsman in the world from 76 util at least 86, but by most accounts, 88.

I don't get your point.

 

[Johan]

Its not controversial, just awful.

Why? Gooch has what Boycott is criticized for (lack of quick scoring) and their run output is very close. I think Boycott is better but there's no reason to think the gap is huge.

 

[Johan]

You are pushing it

How am I pushing it when pointing out his statement has the same logical basis as Kapil>Sunil crap

 

[sayon basak]

I e seen Bumble suggest he rates Boycott higher.

I personally don't, but in the 70's Boycott was rated higher, at least the first half.

Tbf Bumble rates Qadir as the 3rd greatest spinner ever, no?

 

[sayon basak]

How am I pushing it when pointing out his statement has the same logical basis as Kapil>Sunil crap

Mine wasn't a serious post, anybody posting ESPN votes to support an opinion isn't serious.

 

[Thala_0710]

Tbf Bumble rates Qadir as the 3rd greatest spinner ever, no?

He also rates Bumrah>Mcgrath

 

[Johan]

Chappell vs Hammond @capt_Luffy

 

[kyear2]

Agree. But

If Boycott has made runs against Lillee as well as Thomson (he has a terrible record against Hughes though)
And Gavaskar has a good record against Thomson, Hughes and McDermott,

Whom should I rate higher?

And not even peak Thompson.

No one took advantage of WSC like him, and again '71.

 

[kyear2]

Even an English man admitting this. That's how good the man was.
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There was never an argument made to rate Boycott above him.

 

[sayon basak]

There was never an argument made to rate Boycott above him.

That's just me being me, I don't like to be serious all the time.

 

[kyear2]

I would say that either both Gavaskar and Hutton should be in that BAB group or neither. I personally don't have either one in it.

Let me hear the argument that Gavaskar is the greatest batsman after Bradman.

When was he the best in the world, or even undisputedly 2nd best for any significant period. Though that in itself scuttles the argument significantly.

@Johan consistently makes a case for Hutton.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Chappell vs Hammond @capt_Luffy

Hammond clearly

 

[Coronis]

Why? Gooch has what Boycott is criticized for (lack of quick scoring) and their run output is very close. I think Boycott is better but there's no reason to think the gap is huge.

I suppose you’ll be claiming Atherton was a better opener than Anwar too?

 

[Johan]

I suppose you’ll be claiming Atherton was a better opener than Anwar too?

No. Anwar's run output is 8.1 runs/inning greater than Atherton, comparatively Boycott's run output is 0.6 runs/inning greater than Gooch.

 

[sayon basak]

I suppose you’ll be claiming Atherton was a better opener than Anwar too?

36.45 vs 44.52 RPI tbf. And wasn't Atherton much slower?

 

[Thala_0710]

What about Viv's output of 46.9 vs Lara's output of 51.5 though?