You have Viv and Sachin ahead of Chappell and Hammond but both aren't in your test xi?
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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kyear2
International Coach
Basically the same.
Sachin is 2 / 3 for me
Viv is 3 / 4 for me
Hutton is 8
Sunny is 11 and in the next tier.
kyear2
International Coach
Sunny was probably the 5th best batsman of the 70's.
Not much higher in the 80's.
Hammond was briefly the best batsman in the world and for the remainder the 2nd best bat behind the incomparable Bradman.
Historical context matters, or that's only for Grace and Hobbs?
Thala_0710
International 12th Man
Gavaskar was great in AUS, WI and PAK and pretty decent in ENG, NZ too. Don't know where all this is coming from.
Averages 19 in Australia when Lillee, Hogg or Alderman plays.
Decent enough in WI and great in England and Pakistan.
Averages 30 in new Zealand when Hadlee plays.
Thala_0710
International 12th Man
What is this filter? So the tours where he faced Thomson or Reid, McDermott dont count?
capt_Luffy
International Coach
That's the problem with just reading of averages really. Gavaskar played Lillee in one 3 match series, scored a vital 70 in the 3rd game letting India to comeback and win. Overall, was a poor series, but not significant enough personally. In his first series he scored 3 centuries vs Thomson and in his last Australian attack read on paper: Bruce Reid, Craig McDermott and Merv Hughes; I will rate the 1st 2 over Aldermann and all 3 over Hogg.
They do, but you wouldn't put someone who performed against Lillee, Hogg and Alderman below the one who performed against Reid and Thomson. Boycott averages 58 in Australia when Lillee plays and averages above 40 against the quartet too.
Thala_0710
International 12th Man
Gavaskar played Lillee in 1 series only. Hogg and Alderman are nothing special, there is not much reason to rate runs against them but not Thomson, Reid, McDermott and Hughes.
sayon basak
International Captain
Damn are we really gonna rate Gavaskar below Boycott now? Why don't we rate Gooch ahead of him as well?
capt_Luffy
International Coach
That's only for Grace and Hobbs (and Trumper).
Btw That's arguably true for Richards as well yk?? He arguably was behind Chappell and Bpycott in the 70s (16th highest scorer that decade) and behind a bunch like Border, Miandad, Crowe, etc. in the 80s as well. So how come he's better than Trumper, the best batsman of the 1910s????
No, just asking the basis of rating him above others.
Thala_0710
International 12th Man
Root is the best batsman of 2020s, put him above all these guys as well
sayon basak
International Captain
Johan
International Captain
sayon basak
International Captain
Fixed.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Excellent all round record against every team he faced. Arguably the best vs Pakistan ever, Great runs vs WI pace battery, ATG English tour, etc. Let's put it like this (and Kyear coming for my throat), why will you put Viv a tier higher??
Thala_0710
International 12th Man
My runs in club cricket in 2020 are better than his test form
sayon basak
International Captain
The spelling of Humour is wrong.