4th Match - Australia v England

[Son Of Coco]

I'll refer you to the first line of your sig.....now go and fight with your neighbourhood kids.

The kids and I have been playing cricket together. It gives me a good understanding of what Australia felt like last night playing England.

 

[halba]

How the heck did we win that with that lineup?

England is one of the worst ODI teams in the business. See their world cup performance, beaten early on. They are basically a minnow- almost. The bowling attack is seriously a joke in limited overs.

 

[halba]

Mark Wood , Jofra Archer and Brydon Carse were absolutely under par today

The first two are extremely injury prone and not quite up to their level before the injuries. Each injury declines a player, plus the age factor. Wood is 35..Dont think hes test material anymore based off this performance, neither is Archer

The last name is more of a test match type bowler, red ball not white ball- his average in white ball is poor and not world class, he averages circa 40 in white ball, but his average in red ball is excellent, under 20 which only a select group of bowlers are at(e.g. Bumrah, Scott Boland)

 

[honestbharani]

Cant believe they keep benching Mahmood. He woud be an asset, I feel. Carse is fine but seems to be carrying an injury and Jofra seems to pull up sore everytime has to run around the outfield. And Wood is Wood. Would be far better if they had Topley, Mahmood, Carse, Sam Curran, Rashid and a second spinner in the line up.

 

[trundler]

Archer and Wood on a subcontinent road? Bold strategy cotton. They could go for 160 just between them.

Good call, this

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

The first two are extremely injury prone and not quite up to their level before the injuries. Each injury declines a player, plus the age factor. Wood is 35..Dont think hes test material anymore based off this performance, neither is Archer

The last name is more of a test match type bowler, red ball not white ball- his average in white ball is poor and not world class, he averages circa 40 in white ball, but his average in red ball is excellent, under 20 which only a select group of bowlers are at(e.g. Bumrah, Scott Boland)

Why is Mark Wood so protected?

The guy is averaging 40+ with the ball over a long period of time ..Usually the English media have a lot to say about players but never Wood, it might actually be beneficial for someone to call him out, you want someone who can hit 150+ to bowl angry.

 

[halba]

Why is Mark Wood so protected?

The guy is averaging 40+ with the ball over a long period of time ..Usually the English media have a lot to say about players but never Wood, it might actually be beneficial for someone to call him out, you want someone who can hit 150+ to bowl angry.

yep hes done it seems. age is 35, near expiration age.

 

[ataraxia]

yep hes done it seems. age is 35, near expiration age.

Actually that tends to be more in the 80–85 range.

 

[halba]

Actually that tends to be more in the 80–85 range.

for a fast bowlers career i implied..lol. Theres like a grand total of 0 express fast bowlers in the history, that had long careers in ODI after age 35. Dont know what england are thinking. They should be blooding youngsters for the next major tournaments, not keeping injury prone very old guys like Wood there.

 

[ImpatientLime]

Why is Mark Wood so protected?

The guy is averaging 40+ with the ball over a long period of time ..Usually the English media have a lot to say about players but never Wood, it might actually be beneficial for someone to call him out, you want someone who can hit 150+ to bowl angry.

He's the happy go lucky court jester. Press love him, great value etc.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Wood's absolutely still an asset for Tests if he can stay fit.

He's just never been any good at the 50 over format except, fortuitously, for the 2019 World Cup exactly.

But the last 6 years of the England ODI side has been all about trying to recreate the 2019 side on pure vibes, without any of the investment or long term planning that went into assembling the 2019 side. So Wood is in and unquestionable.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Champions Trophy: Josh Inglis gives England the blues by powering Australia to victory

How a cricketer born in Yorkshire and brought up supporting Coventry City put England in a spin.

www.bbc.co.uk

At least Inglis isn’t a Leeds fan, makes him slightly more likeable!

 

[Johan]

We need to scrap the white ball team

 

[Silly Point 2.0]

Champions Trophy: Josh Inglis gives England the blues by powering Australia to victory

How a cricketer born in Yorkshire and brought up supporting Coventry City put England in a spin.

www.bbc.co.uk

At least Inglis isn’t a Leeds fan, makes him slightly more likeable!

Indeed. Very similar background to myself actually. Born and bred in West Yorkshire but a non Leeds fan through family.

I'm still stuck here and not an international cricketer though

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Wood's absolutely still an asset for Tests if he can stay fit.

He's just never been any good at the 50 over format except, fortuitously, for the 2019 World Cup exactly.

But the last 6 years of the England ODI side has been all about trying to recreate the 2019 side on pure vibes, without any of the investment or long term planning that went into assembling the 2019 side. So Wood is in and unquestionable.

Considering Mo has retired and Stokes’ body is breaking down, it seems very odd that we are freezing out any all-rounders other than Livingstone

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Considering Mo has retired and Stokes’ body is breaking down, it seems very odd that we are freezing out any all-rounders other than Livingstone

Yeah it's a clear weakness, especially since as well as losing Stokes and Mo they chose to jettison Woakes and Willey when they imo both had a bit more to give. I guess to play devil's advocate it's not obvious who they could have played (ok apart from the obvious of Dawson, who would be a massive upgrade on Carse in these conditions).

SCurran has been given some opportunities and rarely excelled in 50 overs. Carse I suppose they hoped would become a white ball allrounder but unfortunately falls significantly short on both his batting and his bowling (though we found last year that he's a way better red ball bowler than most of us realised - they were grooming him for the wrong format. JOverton might work at #7 if we had a better top 6 but we dont (imo he should probably play at 8 ahead of Carse). Bethell they hoped would be here but is obviously very raw anyway. Maybe Atkinson's presence in the squad is because they think 1 Test century = allrounder (he's yet another who should be saved for red ball). Yea it's a bit of a mess.

 

[honestbharani]

Bethell seems to have been your biggest loss. They were really banking on him being the second spinner, I think.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I wonder what happened to Mouseley

Saw a bit of him in the West Indies and I like his style of play. Like for like with Bajan Bethell

 

[honestbharani]

I mean...

Duckett
Brook
Root
Buttler
Bethell
Smith (wk)
Livingston / S Curran
Carse / Atkinson / Woakes
Rashid / Rehan
Archer / Wood
Topley / Mahmood


This side looks far more balanced.

 

[Silver Silva]

Yeah it's a clear weakness, especially since as well as losing Stokes and Mo they chose to jettison Woakes and Willey when they imo both had a bit more to give. I guess to play devil's advocate it's not obvious who they could have played (ok apart from the obvious of Dawson, who would be a massive upgrade on Carse in these conditions).

SCurran has been given some opportunities and rarely excelled in 50 overs. Carse I suppose they hoped would become a white ball allrounder but unfortunately falls significantly short on both his batting and his bowling (though we found last year that he's a way better red ball bowler than most of us realised - they were grooming him for the wrong format. JOverton might work at #7 if we had a better top 6 but we dont (imo he should probably play at 8 ahead of Carse). Bethell they hoped would be here but is obviously very raw anyway. Maybe Atkinson's presence in the squad is because they think 1 Test century = allrounder (he's yet another who should be saved for red ball). Yea it's a bit of a mess.

Ed Barnard averages 42 with the bat and 31 with the ball after 78 white ball games but England hasn't given him a chance