Steve Smith vs Sachin Tendulkar (after 205 innings)

[capt_Luffy]

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Yeah....... Exactly this. You had Gavaskar right there and the deal was to move him in the one with Hammond/Headley/Pollock (think he is better than all 3 and belongs in the one above but will take it for now)

 

[Johan]

Yeah....... Exactly this. You had Gavaskar right there and the deal was to move him in the one with Hammond/Headley/Pollock (think he is better than all 3 and belongs in the one above but will take it for now)

Alright fair enough will do it

 

[sayon basak]

The top tier are folks who get talked up as best after Bradman, all with different claims. Does Hutton get talked like that? Not really.

That just shows that Hutton is underrated.

 

[Johan]

The top tier are folks who get talked up as best after Bradman, all with different claims. Does Hutton get talked like that? Not really.

Frankly Smith has a better claim on this front.

Tbf, McGrath isn't talked about among the Greatest bowlers either, many pundits and people rate even Wasim higher

 

[subshakerz]

it's really only the top 15 or so who matter. After that it's a blur.

 

[subshakerz]

That just shows that Hutton is underrated.

I mean ok, but it should be almost impossible to collectively underrate a top tier level bat.

 

[kyear2]

You are talking about 290 wickets obviously a number of them are going to be key bats since he is bowled more in the middle overs. It probably is the similar case with other part time bowlers or batting ARs.


Comparing Kallis to regular bowlers itself doenst make sense. You aren't going to call on Kallis to clean a tail, you call on Kallis in the middle overs as with other fifth bowlers.

But the contentions against his bowling have been more about load. Like this revisionism about Kallis the AR is making him to seem something else he was in his playing days.

This is incredibly disingenuous and not entering into this discussion in good faith.

You say he minnow bullied and what else, but you're presented with the fact that he often went up against and took quality.mid order wickets.

This was also in response to a question you raised with regards to quality of wickets, so it's very appropriate.

He was a valuable asset in all 3 aspects of the game. And as I said earlier, in terms of on the field impact and value to a team, the only player who can be placed above him is Sobers.

And as a response to your criticism of his work load with the ball, again he was well managed to ensure a longer and more productive career with the bat. And the less time he spent bowling, the more he was standing and performing at an ATG level in the most critical outfield position in the game, snaring rockets from his team's bowlers.

 

[subshakerz]

Tbf, McGrath isn't talked about among the Greatest bowlers either, many pundits and people rate even Wasim higher

No. I did a breakdown of around 30 to 40 recent ATG XIs by peers and pundits and McGraths name was super high, higher than Wasims. Soon he will be the most peer rated pacer ever.

 

[Johan]

No. I did a breakdown of recent ATG XIs and McGraths name was super high, higher than Wasims. Soon he will be the most peer rated pacer ever.

who came up more, Wasim or Hadlee?

 

[capt_Luffy]

The top tier are folks who get talked up as best after Bradman, all with different claims. Does Hutton get talked like that? Not really.

Frankly Smith has a better claim on this front.

Smith who is not even always rated higher than Virat "5th stump delivery? guide it to the slip" Kohli and Root and Williamson

 

[subshakerz]

This is incredibly disingenuous and not entering into this discussion in good faith.

Dude you are just copying what I am say about you. How unoriginal.

And yes, Kallis minnow bashed, and his batting order representation in wicket is due to his role as support bowler in mid overs. And him being managed for his bowling load just means he couldn't deal with more specialisation in this skill.

Anyways, stop derailing things.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sure.

Dude what does it means?? Strangely passive aggressive.

 

[Coronis]

Its funny when I see people are claiming that Viv is underrated now… they’re the same people trying to basically swap him and Hutton from where people previously had them. But nobody talks about how much Hutton is gassed up on here lately.

 

[subshakerz]

who came up more, Wasim or Hadlee?

Wasim but they were different generations and this was more 90s onwards.

 

[subshakerz]

Dude what does it means?? Strangely passive aggressive.

Sorry, as in no issue with what you said.

 

[Johan]

Wasim but they were different generations and this was more 90s onwards.

Excellent point.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Its funny when I see people are claiming that Viv is underrated now… they’re the same people trying to basically swap him and Hutton from where people previously had them. But nobody talks about how much Hutton is gassed up on here lately.

I mean, you rate Hutton at around the same level as Hammond and Sutcliffe and much higher than Viv, no??

 

[subshakerz]

Smith who is not even always rated higher than Virat "5th stump delivery? guide it to the slip" Kohli and Root and Williamson

Smith is talked more of as best since Bradman then I ever heard Hutton spoken of.

 

[Johan]

Its funny when I see people are claiming that Viv is underrated now… they’re the same people trying to basically swap him and Hutton from where people previously had them.

I like both so rate both, I find Viv underrated yeah but I don't know what that has to do with Hutton tbh

 

[subshakerz]

I like both so rate both, I find Viv underrated yeah but I don't know what that has to do with Hutton tbh

Gut sense is that Hutton doesn't belong in a top tier with those much more universally celebrated.