Steve Smith vs Sachin Tendulkar (after 205 innings)

[Johan]

@sayon basak post your top 10

 

[sayon basak]

@sayon basak post your top 10

Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards
Garry Sobers
Len Hutton
Steve Smith
Brian Lara
Sunil Gavaskar
Wally Hammond

 

[Johan]

Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards
Garry Sobers
Len Hutton
Steve Smith
Brian Lara
Sunil Gavaskar
Wally Hammond

Hobbs #2 imo

 

[sayon basak]

Hobbs #2 imo

Yeah I could go either way.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Gavaskar is clearly ahead of Kallis.

Ok

 

[Johan]

20 years from now, would Viv still be seen as better than Michael Hussey?

 

[govinda indian fan]

20 years from now, would Viv still be seen as better than Michael Hussey?

Yes

 

[Johan]

Yes

I find it doubtful, but maybe in 2045, Viv would still be seen as about Chanderpaul level.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Viv averages 50 so think he’ll always be seen as a top tier ATG. If he averaged 49, then his rating would have dropped a lot.

 

[Johan]

Viv averages 50 so think he’ll always be seen as a top tier ATG.

His record doesn't read that impressive, I guess after this generation he'll be seen as about Chanderpaul level considering Chanders has far more runs and better average. People like Sangakkara, Kallis, Dravid, Waugh all have records that read more impressive to the untrained eye. Even on this site, people think Gavaskar/Chappel/Border have arguments over him, and some of them are much better than him and all, so we're already moving to it.

Tragic, but that's where it will go.

 

[Coronis]

I mean, you rate Hutton at around the same level as Hammond and Sutcliffe and much higher than Viv, no??

The same level as Sutcliffe and Gavaskar. Not “much” higher than Viv.

I like both so rate both, I find Viv underrated yeah but I don't know what that has to do with Hutton tbh

Because you’re always complaining Viv’s rating here is falling and conversely Hutton’s rating here seems to be increasing.

As I said, basically their collective rankings seem to have reversed and yet people such as yourself are the ones who are complaining about it, which makes no sense.

See - The 2024 vs 2022 poll rankings

2022
5 - Viv
6 - Lara
7 - Hutton

2024
5 - Hutton
6 - Lara
7 - Viv

@Coronis don't really think me having Viv as a cojoined #4 or #5 is a big deal either, most people don't have him in their top 8/9, he's destined to slip out the top 10.

See above - what planet are you living on? Apart from myself and @Prince EWS I don’t recall recently seeing anyone having him below 9? I’m not even sure where PEWS actually would rank him.

 

[Johan]

Because you’re always complaining Viv’s rating here is falling and conversely Hutton’s rating here seems to be increasing.

As I said, basically their collective rankings seem to have reversed and yet people such as yourself are the ones who are complaining about it, which makes no sense.

See - The 2024 vs 2022 poll rankings

2022
5 - Viv
6 - Lara
7 - Hutton

2024
5 - Hutton
6 - Lara
7 - Viv

I mean, I'm fine with Hutton going up, I like him quite a bit and rate him very highly so that's good to me, completely different case.

let's be fair now, Viv also falls from #7 to #8 in majority opinion because people rate Smith higher right now, Smith won the peak comparision, Smith crushed the post-peak contest.

so from #5 to #7 to #8 in three years, what's stopping people from deciding Gavaskar and Hammond are better too? their records read better on paper, and slowly, I think it's pretty clear that by say 2028-9 Viv wouldn't be rated in top 10, probably not top 15 by 2033 then? and it makes sense, his record doesn't read as good as some of the others above him.

See above - what planet are you living on? Apart from myself and PEWS I don’t recall recently seeing anyone having him below 9? I’m not even sure where PEWS actually would rank him.

well maybe he'd make top 8/9 for many people, tho I think there'll be a good bit placing Hammond/Gavaskar above.

 

[govinda indian fan]

I mean, I'm fine with Hutton going up, I like him quite a bit and rate him very highly so that's good to me, completely different case.

let's be fair now, Viv also falls from #7 to #8 in majority opinion because people rate Smith higher right now, Smith won the peak comparision, Smith crushed the post-peak contest.

so from #5 to #7 to #8 in three years, what's stopping people from deciding Gavaskar and Hammond are better too? their records read better on paper, and slowly, I think it's pretty clear that by say 2028-9 Viv wouldn't be rated in top 10, probably not top 15 by 2033 then? and it makes sense, his record doesn't read as good as some of the others above him.


well maybe he'd make top 8/9 for many people, tho I think there'll be a good bit placing Hammond/Gavaskar above.

Imo viv >smith. Not sure many would agree

 

[Coronis]

I mean, I'm fine with Hutton going up, I like him quite a bit and rate him very highly so that's good to me, completely different case.

let's be fair now, Viv also falls from #7 to #8 in majority opinion because people rate Smith higher right now, Smith won the peak comparision, Smith crushed the post-peak contest.

so from #5 to #7 to #8 in three years, what's stopping people from deciding Gavaskar and Hammond are better too? their records read better on paper, and slowly, I think it's pretty clear that by say 2028-9 Viv wouldn't be rated in top 10, probably not top 15 by 2033 then? and it makes sense, his record doesn't read as good as some of the others above him.


well maybe he'd make top 8/9 for many people, tho I think there'll be a good bit placing Hammond/Gavaskar above.

Please show me anyone else who has? Stop bullshitting so much.

 

[Johan]

Please show me anyone else who has? Stop bullshitting so much.

welllll Gavaskar vs Viv was 19-9


That's a good bit.

 

[Coronis]

welllll Gavaskar vs Viv was 19-9

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That's a good bit.

I mean I meant re: people rating him 8/9/10 but ok.

And uh yeah I will also say take ahem, certain of those user’s votes with grains of salt tbh. (as bad as the Trumper > Bradman peers from back in the day)

 

[Johan]

I mean I meant re: people rating him 8/9/10 but ok.

The rankings you posted showed he was #7 in 2024, now that Smith made some tons against Bumrah and mighty Lanka, he is rated higher or no?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Please show me anyone else who has? Stop bullshitting so much.

Viv himself knew Gavaskar was better.

When Indian Actor Manoj Bajpayee approached him for an autograph, Manoj said " you are the best player in the world ".
Viv replied.. No.. Gavaskar is the best player in the world.. I am just the best player from the best team.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The rankings you posted showed he was #7 in 2024, now that Smith made some tons against Bumrah and mighty Lanka, he is rated higher or no?

I honestly am not sure anyone is rating Smith really highly for the SL tons, atleast here. Re BGT, he was decent. That's it. 2 Centuries and nothing more, a.k.a, one over Kohli. Good but nothing special.

 

[Coronis]

The rankings you posted showed he was #7 in 2024, now that Smith made some tons against Bumrah and mighty Lanka, he is rated higher or no?

I wouldn’t know. iirc I’ve seen people saying in the post peak thread that his SL tons don’t matter and he scored two tons in B/G but only averaged xx so he was ****. Its hard to predict tbh. People also seem to get quite aggressive in certain one on one comparisons involving certain players.