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[sayon basak]

I have Trueman on that level with Lillee/Wasim/Joel and Statham alongside Haze/Willis/Vernon etc

Then you're just overrating Hazlewood.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Haze is underrated if anything

 

[Johan]

Then you're just overrating Hazlewood.

Hazlewood: 279 @ 24.6
Statham: 252 @ 24.8
Willis: 325 @ 25.2

seems fine to me

 

[ataraxia]

Haze is underrated if anything

Yeah it's funny but he's an example of someone who everyone says is underrated actually being underrated.

 

[capt_Luffy]

these analogies don't work tbh, Stathy boy is as close to Trueman as Hazelwood is to Akram, just nonsense.

Hazlewood to Cummins for me

Statham in those 13 games: 45 @ 32.2, 2 5fers.

if anything, he was lucky to play less at home. also, Statham in Australia played 14 compared to Trueman's 8, taking 43 @ 31.7 at a pathetic 3.0 WPM, Trueman took 29 @ 27.4 at 3.6 WPM.

Statham's other Test records begs otherwise. He was unable to finish any series against them at home riddled with injuries. They all are 2/3 matches in 3 or 4 separate series.

 

[Johan]

Hazlewood to Cummins for me

larger for me.

Statham's other Test records begs otherwise. He was unable to finish any series against them at home riddled with injuries. They all are 2/3 matches in 3 or 4 separate series.

his whole career is riddled with injuries, maybe a hypothetical prime Statham with a great body would be Trueman level, but what we have is objectively not near fiery fred.

Australia/windies a level above other teams in batting.

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again, Statham is not even close to Trueman, I'm sorry.

 

[capt_Luffy]

larger for me.


his whole career is riddled with injuries, maybe a hypothetical prime Statham with a great body would be Trueman level, but what we have is objectively not near fiery fred.

Australia/windies a level above other teams in batting.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

again, Statham is not even close to Trueman, I'm sorry.

22.77 vs 20.74 at home and 27.79 vs 26.08 away.

These are the numbers. Trueman was fitter and both played for around equal years and in equal matches. Both bashed minnows but Trueman have a much better home record against the top 2 teams; hence ahead. Rest I think is fair, but Statham is as close to Trueman as Hazlewood is to Cummins, Bishop is to Walsh and Peter is to his son for me.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Yeah it's funny but he's an example of someone who everyone says is underrated actually being underrated.

I’m guessing Haze’s pews standardized average would be around 19/20 right now while Willis and Statham are around 28/29

 

[sayon basak]

I’m guessing Haze’s pews standardized average would be around 19/20 right now while Willis and Statham are around 28/29

Damn that's bizarre.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Damn that's bizarre.

It’s not surprising. Hazelwood had insanely flat home pitches for most of his career (same ones Warner cashed in on). You can tell he’s better than his average just by watching him bowl.

 

[Johan]

22.77 vs 20.74 at home and 27.79 vs 26.08 away.

These are the numbers. Trueman was fitter and both played for around equal years and in equal matches. Both bashed minnows but Trueman have a much better home record against the top 2 teams; hence ahead. Rest I think is fair, but Statham is as close to Trueman as Hazlewood is to Cummins, Bishop is to Walsh and Peter is to his son for me.

Yeah, but at the end of the day Trueman outperforms Statham by a landslide against the two strongest Batting lineups and two biggest rivals of England, takes 4.6 WPM vs 3.6 WPM, has more memorable performances, averages 21.6 to his 24.8, strikes 15 balls faster, more destructive with 5fers almost twice as more often and so forth, Statham is great but for me he is about as close to Trueman as Hazlewood to Akram, not that Haze and Cummins are close anyway overall.

 

[ataraxia]

I’m guessing Haze’s pews standardized average would be around 19/20 right now while Willis and Statham are around 28/29

I actually didn't realise it was nearly that stark – simply hilarious.

 

[sayon basak]

It’s not surprising. Hazelwood had insanely flat home pitches for most of his career (same ones Warner cashed in on). You can tell he’s better than his average just by watching him bowl.

Even you wouldn't say that he's as good as a 19 averaging bowler.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah, but at the end of the day Trueman outperforms Statham by a landslide against the two strongest Batting lineups and two biggest rivals of England, takes 4.6 WPM vs 3.6 WPM, has more memorable performances, averages 21.6 to his 24.8, strikes 15 balls faster, more destructive with 5fers almost twice as more often and so forth, Statham is great but for me he is about as close to Trueman as Hazlewood to Akram, not that Haze and Cummins are close anyway overall.

Fair, but I think you rate Akram below Trueman while I do almost a tier ahead with Steyn, Imran and Ambrose

 

[Johan]

Fair, but I think you rate Akram below Trueman while I do almost a tier ahead.

my list is on last page, don't know why you rate Akram so highly, he has more caveats than Trueman

 

[Prince EWS]

I’m guessing Haze’s pews standardized average would be around 19/20 right now while Willis and Statham are around 28/29

I don't think Haze would be quite that low, especially given how Aussie pitched have played after I stopped updating it, but yeah not too far off lol.

Before 2019, the Australian bowling attacks somehow finding a way be gun on decks decent bats should all be averaging 50 on was why they were a really good side. Not Handscomb, Voges and Smith plundering runs at home on roads that should have put Australia's Test status at threat.

 

[Johan]

Before 2019, the Australian bowling attacks somehow finding a way be gun on decks good bats should all be averaging 50 on was why they were a really good side. Not Handscomb, Voges and Smith plundering runs at home on roads that should have put Australia's Test status at threat.

60s West Indies or 2010s Australia?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Cummins standardized average was like 16/17 in 2019 iirc but it should be higher now

 

[Johan]

making pitches so flat it puts test status at risk made me laugh

 

[Prince EWS]

making pitches so flat it puts test status at risk made me laugh

I might have been too harsh, maybe they could have been asked to play their home Tests on the much more Test ready surfaces of Papua New Guinea and Singapore nearby.