Bill Woodfull vs Graeme Smith

[Johan]

In term of usefulness to the team

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Sydney Barnes
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Dale Steyn
7. Imran Khan
8. Shane Warne
9. Muttiah Muralitharan
10. Bill O Reilly
11. Fred Trueman
12. Dennis Lillee
13. Wasim Akram
14. Joel Garner
15. Allan Donald
16. Ray Lindwall
17. Michael Holding
18. Jasprit Bumrah (right now)
19. Shaun Pollock
20. James Anderson/Courtney Walsh

not in my top 20 yet, No sir.

 

[capt_Luffy]

In term of usefulness to the team

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Sydney Barnes
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Dale Steyn
7. Imran Khan
8. Shane Warne
9. Muttiah Muralitharan
10. Bill O Reilly
11. Fred Trueman
12. Dennis Lillee
13. Wasim Akram
14. Joel Garner
15. Allan Donald
16. Ray Lindwall
17. Michael Holding
18. Jasprit Bumrah (right now)
19. Shaun Pollock
20. James Anderson/Courtney Walsh

not in my top 20 yet, No sir.

Eh, I would atleast have Cummins ahead of Pollock and the bunch to follow

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Where does he rank if he takes like 450 wickets @ 22?

 

[Johan]

Eh, I would atleast have Cummins ahead of Pollock and the bunch to follow

Why? Cummins averages too high outside Australia/south Africa imo, I think him vs Grum is fair

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Interestingly Cummins beat Pollock 16-5 last year

Pat Cummins vs Shaun Pollock

Two elite bowlers

www.cricketweb.net

 

[capt_Luffy]

Why? Cummins averages too high outside Australia/south Africa imo, I think him vs Grum is fair

Cummins' record in those 2 places is really Great and he isn't necessarily poor anywhere really. Is pretty good in England, Great in Pakistan and goodish in India with everything considered

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Cummins' record in those 2 places is really Great and he isn't necessarily poor anywhere really. Is pretty good in England, Great in Pakistan and goodish in India with everything considered

His mothers death affected his form on his last India tour imo so I don’t penalize him that much for its

 

[sayon basak]

In term of usefulness to the team

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Sydney Barnes
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Dale Steyn
7. Imran Khan
8. Shane Warne
9. Muttiah Muralitharan
10. Bill O Reilly
11. Fred Trueman
12. Dennis Lillee
13. Wasim Akram
14. Joel Garner
15. Allan Donald
16. Ray Lindwall
17. Michael Holding
18. Jasprit Bumrah (right now)
19. Shaun Pollock
20. James Anderson/Courtney Walsh

not in my top 20 yet, No sir.

Yeah great list sir.

 

[sayon basak]

Where does he rank if he takes like 450 wickets @ 22?

Very high tbh. Although I'm not a fan of arbitrary cutoffs, but surely he'll be rated very highly if he keeps up the performance for that amount of time.

 

[Johan]

Cummins' record in those 2 places is really Great and he isn't necessarily poor anywhere really. Is pretty good in England, Great in Pakistan and goodish in India with everything considered

that's the thing with Cummins, even in a bowling era, he is only good away from home, not great anywhere (get ****ed)

 

[capt_Luffy]

that's the thing with Cummins, even in a bowling era, he is only good away from home, not great anywhere (get ****ed)

....... So like Trueman??

 

[Johan]

....... So like Trueman??

Trueman won his team a series against one of the strongest batting lineup ever on roads, he's fine.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Very high tbh. Although I'm not a fan of arbitrary cutoffs, but surely he'll be rated very highly if he keeps up the performance for that amount of time.

Yea I think he’s on track to at least reach Donald/Garner/Holding/Waqar level

 

[sayon basak]

Yea think he’s on track to at least reach Donald/Garner/Holding level

Yeah. I really want him to take 450+ wickets @22. @capt_Luffy possible?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

....... So like Trueman??

And Lillee

 

[Johan]

bad comparision, Lillee has 96 @ 20.5 with 6 5fers and 2 10fers in England in 16 games.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Trueman won his team a series against one of the strongest batting lineup ever on roads, he's fine.

Was mid there in the one before..... It's really hard to mark him a Great in either WI or Australia really. Cummins is better than he is in WI in England and is a legit Great in SA.

 

[capt_Luffy]

And Lillee

Lillee is definitely ATG in England. Better than he's at home really.

 

[Johan]

Was mid their in the one before..... It's really hard to mark him a Great in either WI or Australia really. Cummins is better than he is in WI in England and is a legit Great in SA.

South Africa is probably on par with the New Zealand Trueman feasted on considering how weak their batting has been and how bowler friendly they are, even Siraj gets 6/15 here and iirc every SA pacer puts ATG numbers. Trueman in West Indies is pretty great bar two tests when he was 23 and ran into one of the strongest battings ever on actual roads. Regardless of that, I rate Trueman and Lillee more for the peer rating and impact on fast bowling while I simultaneously believe their away records having holes is more a result of less opportunities then of lack of skill. I see Trueman as a bit of a Steyn who never got his India.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Cummins series in SA was actually on flatter than usual SA pitches. Hazlewood struggled in that series and Philander struggled to take wickets apart from one innings.

He also had a great series in Pak on incredibly flat pitches.