All Rounders Poll - Discussion

[Line and Length]

Yeah, we should definitely do a limited over rankings for batters and bowlers (and All rounders too).

Will attend to it when this poll is over and I have a brief break.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yes, we have already done a lot of test ranking polls. Will be nice to do odi for a change.

The trouble is that ODIs have changed so much. They are hard to compare.

 

[CricAddict]

The trouble is that ODIs have changed so much. They are hard to compare.

Voting will be boring if it was easy to compare. "Hard to compare" gets more controversies and more discussions.

 

[Line and Length]

Am I the only one who remembers Trevor Bailey as a fine all rounder? He took over 100 wickets (2.16 wpm) @ 29.21 bowling in support of quicks such as Trueman, Statham and Tyson and spinners such as Laker, Lock and Wardle. This included five 5fers.
His batting average (29.76) was hurt by the fact he was asked to open at times where, in 23 innings, he averaged barely 20. However, batting 5, 6 or 7, where he was for the majority of his innings, he averaged a healthy 36.17.
Sadly, I seem to be the only CW member prepared to vote for Bailey - a player with true all-rounder credentials

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Am I the only one who remembers Trevor Bailey as a fine all rounder? He took over 100 wickets (2.16 wpm) @ 29.21 bowling in support of quicks such as Trueman, Statham and Tyson and spinners such as Laker, Lock and Wardle. This included 15 5fers.
His batting average (29.76) was hurt by the fact he was asked to open at times where, in 23 innings, he averaged barely 20. However, batting 5, 6 or 7, where he was for the majority of his innings, he averaged a healthy 36.17.
Sadly, I seem to be the only CW member prepared to vote for Bailey - a player with true all-rounder credentials

Quality player. I seem to be the only one to vote for JR Reid who often gets picked in all-time NZ sides ahead of C Cairns.

 

[ataraxia]

Am I the only one who remembers Trevor Bailey as a fine all rounder? He took over 100 wickets (2.16 wpm) @ 29.21 bowling in support of quicks such as Trueman, Statham and Tyson and spinners such as Laker, Lock and Wardle. This included five 5fers.
His batting average (29.76) was hurt by the fact he was asked to open at times where, in 23 innings, he averaged barely 20. However, batting 5, 6 or 7, where he was for the majority of his innings, he averaged a healthy 36.17.
Sadly, I seem to be the only CW member prepared to vote for Bailey - a player with true all-rounder credentials

Quality player. I seem to be the only one to vote for JR Reid who often gets picked in all-time NZ sides ahead of C Cairns.

They're probably my next two fwiw

 

[Qlder]

Am I the only one who remembers Trevor Bailey as a fine all rounder?

I voted for Bailey back in round 7 but then dropped him trying to get McMillan, Vettori and Davidson in

 

[Prince EWS]

Quality player. I seem to be the only one to vote for JR Reid who often gets picked in all-time NZ sides ahead of C Cairns.

I almost voted for Reid this round but foreshadowed a Tendulkar vote ages ago and figured I should get it in before LL stopped the poll.

 

[Line and Length]

I almost voted for Reid this round but foreshadowed a Tendulkar vote ages ago and figured I should get it in before LL stopped the poll.

I'll only stop the poll when we have too few voters (<8) to make it viable.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Am I the only one who remembers Trevor Bailey as a fine all rounder? He took over 100 wickets (2.16 wpm) @ 29.21 bowling in support of quicks such as Trueman, Statham and Tyson and spinners such as Laker, Lock and Wardle. This included five 5fers.
His batting average (29.76) was hurt by the fact he was asked to open at times where, in 23 innings, he averaged barely 20. However, batting 5, 6 or 7, where he was for the majority of his innings, he averaged a healthy 36.17.
Sadly, I seem to be the only CW member prepared to vote for Bailey - a player with true all-rounder credentials

I had him in mind, the balance is quite difficult to get now with players like Davidson and Hammond.... Voted him in this round.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Razzaq was a superb ODI allrounder, but his test numbers are pretty poor. Compatriots Shahid Afridi and Azhar Mahmood (his batting in SA!) were arguably more successful in tests. I don't understand his popularity in this poll.

 

[Line and Length]

Razzaq was a superb ODI allrounder, but his test numbers are pretty poor. Compatriots Shahid Afridi and Azhar Mahmood (his batting in SA!) were arguably more successful in tests. I don't understand his popularity in this poll.

Razzaq's batting stats (ave 28.62 & 3 centuries) are reasonable but I agree his bowling average (36.94) has me wondering why I voted for him on a number of occasions.

 

[trundler]

Stokes at 15 feels way over the top. I feel like Cairns and McMillan were better than Stokes when they played and considering Stokes plays a lot as a batter he's not that much fitter

 

[Line and Length]

Walter Hammond finally makes our list - albeit at number 30. In draft games, he would certainly be picked as an all rounder before many of those above him.

 

[Qlder]

Just 11 voters this round with 14 players nominated. The three joining the list this week are pretty clear cut.

D.Vettori 19
W.Hammond 16
A.Davidson 10

Only because you said continuing matters on number of voters there were 12 last round, not 11

Also it doesn't change the outcome but I think Hammond had 14 points not 16

 

[trundler]

Wasim is a lot closer to being a test all rounder than Davidson. Davidson's all round credentials are extremely overrated if not imaginary.

 

[ataraxia]

Wasim is a lot closer to being a test all rounder than Davidson. Davidson's all round credentials are extremely overrated if not imaginary.

Some day you will appreciate that the 100s column is not the most important determinant of a batsman's quality.

 

[trundler]

Some day you will appreciate that the 100s column is not the most important determinant of a batsman's quality.

Some day you'll realise FC batting numbers (on roads!) that didn't translate to tests are irrelevant when judging a test career. Wasim averaged <2 runs fewer over a much longer career but had many more knocks of substance against good attacks. It's a no contest.

 

[Line and Length]

Only because you said continuing matters on number of voters there were 12 last round, not 11

Also it doesn't change the outcome but I think Hammond had 14 points not 16

Correct on both counts. I had 14 written down for Hammond but, ay first glance, my 4 looked like a 6.

Thanks and errors corrected.

 

[trundler]

While picking Davidson on the basis of performance in one test is irredeemably stupid and discredits the list, I just noticed that Procter in the top 25 with his sub 20 batting average is even worse. Jesus.