Worst batsman with a 50 average

[capt_Luffy]

and you think Grimmet is better, sad.

Grum is better though.

 

[Fanboy375]

Lara’s 400* or Laker’s 19 wickets are fantastic feats but involves being brilliant on one day.

Sachin Tendulkar or Muttiah Muralitharan have some important records that involve being good for many years and that’s a bigger deal in my opinion.

Sachin doesn't have 250 plus innings and his best was against Ban.Hayden 380 and Sachin 248 aren't respected.Murali best in match is 16 wickets.They do big stuffs in more matches than Lara or Kumble but Kimble and Lara fluctuate a lot.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Just that the poor guy can't get a wicket (literally) at home.....

Very true. Surprisingly he topped the 1st class wicket tables for 2-3 years before debuting for NZ.

 

[Johan]

Grum is better though.

Nah Laker got it

 

[subshakerz]

Kumble also has an important record that is 10 wickets.But off course it is not equal to Lara 400

I can never rate the 400 that high because it denied his team a chance at a win for the sake of a record.

 

[Johan]

I can never rate the 400 that high because it denied his team a chance at a win for the sake of a record.

tbf England were folded for less than 300 and Windies had 140 overs to bowl out England, it was definitely winnable

 

[subshakerz]

tbf England were folded for less than 300 and Windies had 140 overs to bowl out England, it was definitely winnable

Lara got his record around Day 3. On a batting pitch that doesn't leave enough time to bowl out England. There wasn't a justification to bat until 750.

Miandad was pissed at Imran for declaring in a test when he was 280 odd. I think if the record comes along the way fine but otherwise priority is winning.

 

[Migara]

In > 5000 runs range Yousuf or Hayden.

Both were ruthless when set, but not the best in sticking it out in difficult conditions.

 

[subshakerz]

Yousuf or Hayden.

Both were ruthless when set, but not the best in sticking it out in difficult conditions.

Yousuf was a softie.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Bottom 5 with 5000+ runs imo (should had the criteria in place):

Michael Hussey - 76
Mohammad Yousuf - 69 (nice)
Matthew Hayden - 51
Shivnarine Chanderpaul - 49
Andy Flower - 39


Flower is too good to be here, but the bowler's had it WAY rougher.

 

[Johan]

Yousuf was a softie.

what are your thoughts on his Windies series in 2000

 

[BazBall21]

Bottom 5 with 5000+ runs imo (should had the criteria in place):

Michael Hussey - 76
Mohammad Yousuf - 69 (nice)
Matthew Hayden - 51
Shivnarine Chanderpaul - 49
Andy Flower - 39


Flower is too good to be here, but the bowler's had it WAY rougher.

Not convinced Flower is better than Hayden and Chanderpaul.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not convinced Flower is better than Hayden and Chanderpaul.

Fair ig. I rate Flower REALLY highly, like around Boycott, Kanhai, May, Kohli and Harvey.

 

[Johan]

Fair ig. I rate Flower REALLY highly, like around Boycott, Kanhai, May, Kohli and Harvey.

slide him to the bottom of that list

 

[capt_Luffy]

slide him to the bottom of that list

Yeah he is around the bottom of that group

 

[BazBall21]

Fair ig. I rate Flower REALLY highly, like around Boycott, Kanhai, May, Kohli and Harvey.

Flower was definitely high quality and the goat from the Ban/Zim tier imo but I don't think he's proven enough v good pace attacks to rank above players like Kohli and Boycott. Obviously it is a shame and unfair that he didn't get the same opportunities but can't judge on hypotheticals. Hayden opened in all 184 innings, was a beast in the type of conditions Flower excelled in, and Chanderpaul has extreme longevity to go with output that Flower doesn't overwhelm.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Flower was definitely high quality and the goat from the Ban/Zim tier imo but I don't think he's proven enough v good pace attacks to rank above players like Kohli and Boycott. Obviously it is a shame and unfair that he didn't get the same opportunities but can't judge on hypotheticals. Hayden opened in all 184 innings, was a beast in the type of conditions Flower excelled in, and Chanderpaul has extreme longevity to go with output that Flower doesn't overwhelm.

Tbf he’s not rating Flower above Kohli and Boycott. He rates him below those two but in the same tier I think.

 

[BazBall21]

Tbf he’s not rating Flower above Kohli and Boycott. He rates him below those two but in the same tier I think.

Yeah I'd disagree and would put Hayden&Chanderpaul above him but each to their own.

 

[subshakerz]

what are your thoughts on his Windies series in 2000

Mixed. Decent attack but the pitches weren't that hard.

 

[BazBall21]

Yousuf's record in India&SL is disappointing. Asian legends tend to be monsters in Asia. It's why Jayawardene has a claim to be better than him.