Worst batsman with a 50 average

[capt_Luffy]

choose your words wisely, Monkeys vs Kittens a mismatch in the prior's favour.

I ain't afraid, Candy once tried to fight a Cow

 

[Johan]

I ain't afraid, Candy once tried to fight a Cow

Damn, @SillyCowCorner1 you gonna stand this.

also Yousuf>Chanderpaul.

 

[sayon basak]

So @sayon basak you are using your own picture as the pfp!!!

Do I look bad?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Do I look bad?

Better than I expected

 

[sayon basak]

Better than I expected

No I look good off camera as well.

I even look good without the makeup.

 

[sayon basak]

I ain't afraid, Candy once tried to fight a Cow

I once ate a ****roach.

EDIT:- #uncensoreçock.

 

[BazBall21]

What would be the argument for Yousuf over Chanderpaul

 

[Johan]

What would be the argument for Yousuf over Chanderpaul

impressive performance in the top 4 and have taken away games or outright won them in the past, also the 2000 series in West Indies against Ambrose/Walsh.

 

[BazBall21]

impressive performance in the top 4 and have taken away games or outright won them in the past, also the 2000 series in West Indies against Ambrose/Walsh.

Chanderpaul had an increasingly brittle top 4 and was probably coming in with crease entries adjacent to a standard no4's career frequently.

 

[Johan]

Chanderpaul had an increasingly brittle top 4 and was probably coming in with crease entries adjacent to a standard no4's career frequently.

iirc in some of his biggest years like 2002 he was actually batting at 6 after Sarwan/Gayle/Lara/Hooper iirc, Though one thing I think Yousuf definitely has over Chanders is his ability to go big and take the matches away from his opponent, plus he mostly went big when two wickets were fallen at sub 50-60 runs too which I'd describe as a pretty tricky situation.

his run output is also a lot higher than Chanderpaul, 42 RPI for Chanders while 48 for Moyo

 

[BazBall21]

iirc in some of his biggest years like 2002 he was actually batting at 6 after Sarwan/Gayle/Lara/Hooper iirc, Though one thing I think Yousuf definitely has over Chanders is his ability to go big and take the matches away from his opponent, plus he mostly went big when two wickets were fallen at sub 50-60 runs too which I'd describe as a pretty tricky situation.

his run output is also a lot higher than Chanderpaul, 42 RPI for Chanders while 48 for Moyo

Yousuf was good at converting 100 into daddy hundreds, unlike Inzy.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I think I simply can summarise my view with, Flower carried a mid Zimbabwean batting on his back, in a way that WI fans complains Chanders just wasn't interested in to do over personal record.

At the opposite end of the spectrum you have Lara with very few not outs. Who carried a WI lineup like no other. Matter of fact, Lara carried WI his team more than anyone else in cricket history (batting wise) with the exception of The Don and Headley. Yes the 400* was selfish but imo if Lara had half of Shiv's mentality and a few more not outs (which he easily could've have had) he'd average around 56/57.

 

[Johan]

Yousuf was good at converting 100 into daddy hundreds, unlike Inzy.

Yeah, He has atleast three big hundreds against England where it would look like the match is an easy english victory but Yousuf would just get in a tricky situation and take the whole game away with a huge hundred, that's why I think my perception of him is more positive than most others.

Edit — England won one of those games where Younis and Yousuf went huge, but regardless a great performance considering Yousuf came at 2-36 after England made 515.

 

[BazBall21]

Lara was just much better. Chanderpaul was a high quality supporting batsman that had to end up being the main man which didn't suit him. He probably should have batted higher up to give himself maximum opportunity of increasing his run scoring threshold.

Main characters in the batting lineup are ideally dangerous independent run scorers. Daddy hundreds. Chanderpaul's style of batting requires support, especially when he batted down the order which reduced his control of the game and reduced his maximum time at the crease (due to both the way he batted with the tail and the fact the opposition had less wickets to take when he was at the crease than if he batted top 3 or even 4.)

 

[BazBall21]

iirc in some of his biggest years like 2002 he was actually batting at 6 after Sarwan/Gayle/Lara/Hooper iirc, Though one thing I think Yousuf definitely has over Chanders is his ability to go big and take the matches away from his opponent, plus he mostly went big when two wickets were fallen at sub 50-60 runs too which I'd describe as a pretty tricky situation.

his run output is also a lot higher than Chanderpaul, 42 RPI for Chanders while 48 for Moyo

Hooper wasn't there for most of the 21st century and Gayle never found a decent opening partner IIRC.

 

[DrWolverine]

I do not think the 400* by Lara was selfish. The WestIndies bowlers did not have the firepower to dismiss them. England trashed WI in the first 3 Tests.

Lara’s 400* gave some pride back to the fans of the team and that’s more memorable even today than a useless win in a series 2 decades back.

 

[BazBall21]

I don't really buy the big outrage over Lara's 400* either. The series was gone and he hardly had a reputation for putting himself first when batting with the tail. Some cynics might say he picked and chose when to turn up but there were some spicy wickets in that series v a pretty good attack. It's just natural that he found it easier in Antigua.

Thorpe played two gun knocks on those dodgy wickets. RIP.

 

[DrWolverine]

Warner had the easiest chance to break Lara’s record

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I don't really buy the big outrage over Lara's 400* either. The series was gone and he hardly had a reputation for putting himself first when batting with the tail. Some cynics might say he picked and chose when to turn up but there were some spicy wickets in that series v a pretty good attack. It's just natural that he found it easier in Antigua.

Thorpe played two gun knocks on those dodgy wickets. RIP.

Ironically enough it was Lara’s dropped catch off Flintoff in the 1st innings that cost the WI team the win most likely. And cynics who say he picked and chose when he chose up are likely morons. Yes those wickets were disturbingly bouncy, as shown by the fact that no batsman on either team scored more than 300 runs in a 4 match series (except Lara owing mostly to the 400*). Also, and this is in past series where he struggled, Lara doesn't get the same leeway as others when it comes to injuries, bad umpiring etc. The entire 2002 season for example should be disregarded because Lara was still recovering from a broken elbow/dislocated shoulder. Then in the 1990s especially late 90s, he had a messed up shoulder, eye issues etc.

 

[BazBall21]

Ironically enough it was Lara’s dropped catch off Flintoff in the 1st innings that cost the WI team the win most likely.

Yeah they would probably have had enough time if that was taken.