Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah he was roughly Goddard standard with the bat I think. He was a more threatening bowler than him too but probably not as good overall.
-
Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
All Rounders Poll - Discussion
- Thread starter Line and Length
- Start date
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I would have him ahead of Goddard as a batsman, but Goddard was a mean 5th bowler.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I don't care beyond the top 10 since AR is such a niche category anyways.
shortpitched713
International Captain
It seems like people have hesitancy putting Ashwin as an all-rounder, and I'm not really understanding it.
I think his batting is most likely superior to Hadlee at Test level, if anything, but at worst is comparable. There's no way he isn't considered an ace genuine all-rounder if he played for any other country.
I think his batting is most likely superior to Hadlee at Test level, if anything, but at worst is comparable. There's no way he isn't considered an ace genuine all-rounder if he played for any other country.
shortpitched713
International Captain
I'm saying the profile I'm describing is that of an ATG (read top 10) all-rounder. It just comes in an Ashwin package, so that seems to scare people off.
Heck, if we ignore fielding as a defining component of an all-rounder, I'd argue he's a more impactful one than Jadeja, who has been picked several spots ago.
Heck, if we ignore fielding as a defining component of an all-rounder, I'd argue he's a more impactful one than Jadeja, who has been picked several spots ago.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Ashwin like Hadlee was a borderline AR.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Ofcourse unlike Root
sayon basak
International Captain
Root is a borderline ATG spinner (like Philander) and a better bat than Chris Martin.
Close? No.
You have to be kidding me. You say Hadlee is a borderline allrounder and yet your latest votes were for Hooper, Waugh and Root. I'm not even sure which part-timer Waugh you voted for
sayon basak
International Captain
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
That was just having a laugh.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Wow, that is a bold proclamation.
Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
I have previously overlooked Ashwin on the basis of a batting average (25.76) as that makes him a borderline contender.
Comparisons have been made to Hadlee and while Ashwin scored more centuries (6 v 2) it could be argued that most were against relative minnows. Despite the centuries, Ashwin has an inferior batting average to Hadlee's 27.17
Looking at their bowling stats, Hadlee is marginally ahead on averages (22.30 to 23.65). However, the difference is far greater when looking at their performances against Australia (20.57 to 28.58) and England (24.73 to 27.27).
Having said all that, as the poll continues I will undoubtedly lodging votes for Ashwin in the not to distant future.
Comparisons have been made to Hadlee and while Ashwin scored more centuries (6 v 2) it could be argued that most were against relative minnows. Despite the centuries, Ashwin has an inferior batting average to Hadlee's 27.17
Looking at their bowling stats, Hadlee is marginally ahead on averages (22.30 to 23.65). However, the difference is far greater when looking at their performances against Australia (20.57 to 28.58) and England (24.73 to 27.27).
Having said all that, as the poll continues I will undoubtedly lodging votes for Ashwin in the not to distant future.
Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
I had to correct my spreadsheet from the 9-12 Round. I listed Greig's batting average at 30.44 instead of 40.44. Surprised no one picked it up. It's been corrected.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
People suck.
Coronis
International Coach
Also
Steve was easily a better batsman and easily a better bowler than Mark.
I find this a really odd assumption.
Steve was easily a better batsman and easily a better bowler than Mark.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Mark was a better bowler at his bowling peak but he gave up bowling properly really early because of back injuries. I think the vote was probably for Steve but LL may have been assuming the only reason someone would vote for either would be to get peak Mark.
Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
If Waugh (either one) gets future votes, an initial will be necessary.
Neither should, imo, be considered given their bowling stats and WPM. Hammond has, thus far, been overlooked by most yet his WPM (0.97) make him a far more integral part of an attack than either Waugh (0.55 & 0.46 wpm).
Doug Walters was similar to the Waughs but will probably crop up in the future.
As a batsman who occasionally bowled, I have Ted Dexter well ahead of all three (WPM > 1).
Neither should, imo, be considered given their bowling stats and WPM. Hammond has, thus far, been overlooked by most yet his WPM (0.97) make him a far more integral part of an attack than either Waugh (0.55 & 0.46 wpm).
Doug Walters was similar to the Waughs but will probably crop up in the future.
As a batsman who occasionally bowled, I have Ted Dexter well ahead of all three (WPM > 1).
Last edited:
Why? Mushtaq and Mankad both bowled 70 innings in tests. Mankad took 162 wkts while Mushtaq took only 79 wkts. Mankad also took 8 5fer and 2 10fer, while Mushtaq only took 3 5fer