2024–25 NZ domestic season

[Immenso]

Matt Boyle used to be really, really dominant in the U17s and U19s. So good to see him finding his feet. Being such a big lad, I had wondered if that dominance at youth level was size related.

He was in that unlucky age group who missed the U19 world cup due to the covid year.

 

[jcas0167]

Looks like he'll be too old, by one month, for the next u19 world cup. ( if my maths is correct)

One of those unlucky aged cricketers where you have to be good enough at 17 for that tournament.

Of course, NZC don't schedule any youth internationals in the fallow years between the 2 yearly tournament.

I was just thinking how good those youth tours to England were. The 1989 and 1996 sides actually won their respective 'test' series and produced loads of future internationals and first class players. The last time the under 19 side played a test series was in England in 2008 under Kane. The last ODI series they played was 2019/20.

 

[Prince EWS]

I was just thinking how good those youth tours to England were. The 1989 and 1996 sides actually won their respective 'test' series and produced loads of future internationals and first class players. The last time the under 19 side played a test series was in England in 2008 under Kane. The last ODI series they played was 2019/20. View attachment 44176

Doug Bracewell batting three places higher than Neesham is awesome.

 

[Immenso]

I was just thinking how good those youth tours to England were. The 1989 and 1996 sides actually won their respective 'test' series and produced loads of future internationals and first class players. The last time the under 19 side played a test series was in England in 2008 under Kane. The last ODI series they played was 2019/20.

The lack of youth cricket (both Youth Tests and Youth ODIs) that NZ play is real outlier compared to every other full ICC member nation. We;; actually it is comparable to the other nations that are either/or both isolated (Windies) or semi-isolated but with a crappy big neighbour (us and Zim)

The format 'we' actually concentrate on (Youth ODIs):


and, youth tests:


(from : https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/results-summary-337073 )

 

[Immenso]

The lack of NZ U19 cricket and the relative lack of NZ 'A' cricket (as well as the reduction of the Plunket Shield) really needs some serious questions by the media, and some answer by NZC on what their actuals plans are.

Because the lack of funding doesn't hold water.

NZC have 40.5 million NZD in the bank.

Their revenue has increased by 50% since 2022.
They make surpluses.

From NZC Annual Reports:

 

[Flem274*]

The lack of NZ U19 cricket and the relative lack of NZ 'A' cricket (as well as the reduction of the Plunket Shield) really needs some serious questions by the media, and some answer by NZC on what their actuals plans are.

Because the lack of funding doesn't hold water.

NZC have 40.5 million NZD in the bank.

Their revenue has increased by 50% since 2022.
They make surpluses.

From NZC Annual Reports:
View attachment 44183

So now the lack of tests, A cricket and age group cricket is a choice.

I remember a few years ago they made the excuse that they needed all the random t20 because they spent all the 2015 world cup money and the books were bad.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

There are many reasons why those financial results may be simplistic. What caused the $30m increase in revenue from 2022 to 2023? Without that, then 2023 and 2024 would have been big deficits. 2020-2022 look pretty consistent so why the sudden increase of nearly 50% in revenue? Is that sustainable or not? If not, then building up a reserve of equity makes sense.

 

[Immenso]

There are many reasons why those financial results may be simplistic. What caused the $30m increase in revenue from 2022 to 2023? Without that, then 2023 and 2024 would have been big deficits. 2020-2022 look pretty consistent so why the sudden increase of nearly 50% in revenue? Is that sustainable or not? If not, then building up a reserve of equity makes sense.

It is the changes in the ICC distributions. My assumption.

The previous model was suposed to have a hockey stick upturn at the end of that cycle. Which was an 8 year cycle, with funding held back to the back of the cycle.

And then in the new model. Kick in in 2024. Which NZ gets and increase compared to the previous, despite BCCI hoovering up almost 40% of it

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

And then in the new model. Kick in in 2024. Which NZ gets and increase compared to the previous, despite BCCI hoovering up almost 40% of it

If that's the case, then it's a strong argument for the old "growing the pie makes everyone richer even if you get a smaller %" argument. A 50% uptick in revenue is not to be sniffed at. Hard to know without more data though - it'd be good to see that revenue broken down by sources really to draw some more firm conclusions.

 

[Immenso]

If that's the case, then it's a strong argument for the old "growing the pie makes everyone richer even if you get a smaller %" argument. A 50% uptick in revenue is not to be sniffed at. Hard to know without more data though - it'd be good to see that revenue broken down by sources really to draw some more firm conclusions.

Yeah. I don't know if they'll get more in 2025 FY than they did in 2024 FY (from ICC).

Because the new model kicks in from 2024.

But NZ will earn more an a 'per year average' over the next 4 years from ICC, than they did per year from the previous 8 year model.

But a lot of that previous 8 year's dosh was held back with a hockey stick upturn in the final years of the deal.


E.g.

NZC's annual report, presented at this week's annual meeting in Auckland, revealed a $1.3m net loss for the past year after losses of $3.5m (2018) and $9.3m (2017).

According to the report, NZC budgeted for a $1m profit in 2018-19.

A third successive deficit was forecast as recently as May, largely due to the International Cricket Council rescheduling its back-ended annual payments of the US$128 million (NZ$199m) it pledged to NZC between 2016 and 2023.

The bulk of this is expected to land after two big ICC tournaments hosted by India: the Twenty20 World Cup in 2021 and 50-over World Cup in 2023.

So, the reason for that hockey graph uptick at the end of that distribution model, was the big Indian hosted rainmakers were towards the end of that cycle.

Above was from news article in 2019: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...-another-challenging-year-after-23m-shortfall

 

[Immenso]

These are what I would call the big 'cricket related' expenses, taken from the last 5 years annual reports.

Can see that NZC expect that increase since 2022 to be 'permanent'. Based on the increase in remuneration. fees etc.



I'd take a guess that Player Pool covers match fees (not sure if that includes domestic match fees, as well as international match fees).
I reckon NZC central contracts would be included in the Remuneration row (along with other staff)

 

[Immenso]

So, they are paying more people, and travelling more, and paying bigger match fees.

But, not much spent (13% increase, so inflation basically ...) on matches and tours.

 

[Immenso]

As an audit of the old "cancel 2 rounds of the plunket shield so that we can schedule more A tours" line.

Not counting this season. It has been 6 completed season since the PS was reduced from 10 to 8 rounds.

So, that is 36 FC games lost.

In that 6 years. NZ 'A' have had 7 series, where have played:
- 13 'A' tests,
- 9 ODIs
- 3 T20s

But in the previous 6 years before that, when we had 10 rounds of Plunket Shield. We still managed 6 tours/series
- 8 'A' tests,
- 23 ODIs

The 6 years since Plunket Shield was reduced:


The 6 years before Plunket Shield was reduced:

 

[Immenso]

So, I make that a net increase of 11 days of international 'A' cricket over 6 years. At the expense of cancelling 144 days of Plunket Shield cricket.

 

[Bahnz]

This btw is why while I'm supportive of 4 day tests in theory, I'm opposed to them in practice, as I know they'll be used to squeeze in a couple extra T20's rather than play more 3 match series.

 

[_Ed_]

Looking forward to seeing Ben Sears back in action in Wellington's next game.

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[Immenso]

The U19s pace bowling looks really impressive (from the available camera angle). All teams except Wellington have now appeared in a streamed match.

2 years ago, this tournament was streamed with this same camera angle at a wide(ish) long-on. And there was only one bowler who caught my eye in all of the streamed matched (Toby Hart, the rest were worse than the U17s of that same year). This year, I swear every team so far has had good pace and bounce. Not just the opening bowlers but down to first change, if not second change for some teams.

In fact, it is those U17s from 2 years ago who are now in this tournament. But it isn't just the ones from then who are capturing my attention (e.g. Mason Clarke who is not playing and Matt Rowe who isn't having a great tournament)

 

[Immenso]

They are only playing 4 games each this week at Lincoln. With day-long gaps between games. So, probably teams are playing close to their top 11s for each game, so more chance of seeing the better bowlers in the streamed match.

Usually the Lincoln week is a bit of a cluttered hard slog for the players and then the dobblies and finger spinners take advantage of tired (and under powered) batsmen.

 

[Immenso]

The missing 5th match each, is between the neighbouring associations. So, I assume they have already played them , or will play them, but outside of the Lincoln week. Wouldn't ya?

I don't know if a (possible) 5th match between the neighbours therefore goes towards the tournament points table. The NZC website and cricket archive don't seem to think so.

I can see no mention of it. Or any mention of the tournament structure. So, assume not. Or, Maybe it was announced as a communication (yeah, right) but it is now buried 743 posts down the cricket nation feed stream.

 

[_Ed_]

Decent crowd in at the Basin for both games today, good to see.

Robinson's in good touch.