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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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thundaboult
International Debutant
what a waste, ffs finn find some consistency
thundaboult
International Debutant
so it's looking like Matt Henry lockie Ferguson and will O'Rourke as 3 seamers in the CT squad playing 11 with milne sears duffy as backups, santner and bracewell for spin with phillips for the extra option
ataraxia
International Coach
tbf Allen's consistency has been sublime so far.
James
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That's some bowling lineup isn't it - very impressive. Add Jamison in there when fit and it's
Finn Watch: 7 balls faced, 3 innings, 10 runs scored, 3 outs. SR 142, average 3.33
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ataraxia
International Coach
Only 7 balls, I'm afraid.
Prince EWS
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You'll be okay.
True! Odds he'll get to 10 in his next bat?
Zinzan
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If there's any bright spot, - (I'm searching here) - At least he's not dotting up and wasting deliveries like T20 KW does.
thundaboult
International Debutant
who is finns like for like at t20i nz level? tim robinson? maybe bevon jacobs now idk
Zinzan
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I'm not out to necessarily defend Finn Allen, but I think people have to take the good with the bad with him because he will win games for sides on his own once every 4-5 innings but will also fail horribly in between.
I still think overall someone averaging low-to-mid 20s but having a SR >160 as he does is still a valuable asset in T20s, especially if you have more consistent measured batsmen in your top 5, like Conway/KW type batters.
I still think overall someone averaging low-to-mid 20s but having a SR >160 as he does is still a valuable asset in T20s, especially if you have more consistent measured batsmen in your top 5, like Conway/KW type batters.
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ataraxia
International Coach
Nah I'm not convinced of this. If his record was forged batting #5, he'd be a massive asset to NZ. But it wasn't – he's opening. T20 openers and #3s should really average 30.
I will say that he has complemented Conway nicely. Devon the T20 player is something of an enigma. By way of his tremendous knack of somehow avoiding losing his wicket, NZ have a stable base to work from almost all the time which means that strike rate becomes more important than average. Conway's a slow scorer but exceptional at rotating strike in T20s.
Moss
International Captain
Devon the T20 player seems a different beast when turning out for CSK. Perhaps it says something about the relative standard of bowling he faces relative to internationals, but somehow they’ve got the best out of him. Not a coincidence he’s publicly gone on on how he sees himself part of the family there, even allowing for the fact they pay the bills.
anonymouskefe
U19 Debutant
was thinking the exact same thing although cant see him playing like Konstas did
I reckon Mariu plays in Zimbabwe. Conway surely will have a clashing T20 tournament? Even if not, hopefully a new coach who wants to usher in a new era, at a time when there's a bonafide replacement (although Mariu wouldn't have likely played a lot of cricket since late March)
Watching Konstas has brought up a lot of crystal ball gazing about what the future might look like. Given there are very few quality opening bats in the world, is it viable to have a designated hitter in that position, as long as he has a reasonable technique? I'm not suggesting an out and out swatter like JFM or Allen could ever do it, but Konstas completely threw India off this morning and allowed Khawaja to ease into the contest, too. You might allow yourself some failures, and even a 30 off 13 might be deemed a small win. Test fields are generally spread, and it would take a hell of a shift for a side to come out and ring field or in-out at 0-0...plus the ball ache of having to constantly adjust that for a more traditional player.
You could even float that player in the order to fit the situation, which would require the 3 to be adaptable as well.
As I say, it got me thinking and I bet it has with other people in cricket. Not Gary Stead, mind you.
Watching Konstas has brought up a lot of crystal ball gazing about what the future might look like. Given there are very few quality opening bats in the world, is it viable to have a designated hitter in that position, as long as he has a reasonable technique? I'm not suggesting an out and out swatter like JFM or Allen could ever do it, but Konstas completely threw India off this morning and allowed Khawaja to ease into the contest, too. You might allow yourself some failures, and even a 30 off 13 might be deemed a small win. Test fields are generally spread, and it would take a hell of a shift for a side to come out and ring field or in-out at 0-0...plus the ball ache of having to constantly adjust that for a more traditional player.
You could even float that player in the order to fit the situation, which would require the 3 to be adaptable as well.
As I say, it got me thinking and I bet it has with other people in cricket. Not Gary Stead, mind you.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
too often people's level of analysis in T20 is "I want players to score massive amounts of runs consistently at a high SR". No ****. Allen and Williamson are obviously two ends of that spectrum, you have have to assess the risk/reward trade off against the talent level of each player.
I think in Allen's case he needs to take into account a thorough analysis of high strengths and weaknesses and come up with a more targeted gameplan. In many cases he seems to be getting out trying to whack the biggest threat in the opposition out of the ground second ball.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Allen gets bowled a lot more often than your standard T20 opener - 32 bowled vs 82 caught.
A very similar yolo style opener in Phil Salt for example has been bowled just 45 times compared to 174 caught.
I think this confirms what we all kinda know - Finn overcommits to slogging full swinging balls early in his innings.
A very similar yolo style opener in Phil Salt for example has been bowled just 45 times compared to 174 caught.
I think this confirms what we all kinda know - Finn overcommits to slogging full swinging balls early in his innings.
Yeah what it says is that he doesn't have a solid defensive technique to fall back on.
Everything I hear from junior cricket coaching is that is going to become the norm. The days of coaching a solid bedrock of defense, and doing it for long enough to imbed it in a young player's technique, are on their way out.
Thing is as well, Finn Allen is no longer part of a consistent national set-up that he can truly work on those flaws. Yes, he could go back to any indoor net in NZ and find a coach to implement that, but a) will he? and b) what is his ability to commit to working on his game when he is globe trotting most months of the year, and franchise coaches don't have the time or impetus to work to that level? And meanwhile he's got to also balance any work on his game with trying to score runs in the here and now to keep convincing of his worth.
I think he's in a bigger hole than certainly he or others think. It might work for a veteran to go be a franchise whore with a solid game already embedded, but I don't see that for Finn.
Everything I hear from junior cricket coaching is that is going to become the norm. The days of coaching a solid bedrock of defense, and doing it for long enough to imbed it in a young player's technique, are on their way out.
Thing is as well, Finn Allen is no longer part of a consistent national set-up that he can truly work on those flaws. Yes, he could go back to any indoor net in NZ and find a coach to implement that, but a) will he? and b) what is his ability to commit to working on his game when he is globe trotting most months of the year, and franchise coaches don't have the time or impetus to work to that level? And meanwhile he's got to also balance any work on his game with trying to score runs in the here and now to keep convincing of his worth.
I think he's in a bigger hole than certainly he or others think. It might work for a veteran to go be a franchise whore with a solid game already embedded, but I don't see that for Finn.