Jasprit Bumrah vs Sydney Barnes

[capt_Luffy]

So you'd say my mindless arbitrary function AR list was better too?

That's the greatest compliment I've ever had.

If it exists, it's probably better.

 

[sayon basak]

Hadlee was a one man army in a weak team
Steyn excelled in an era when no one else did
So I can understand why they topped the list

I know you are talking about pacers only, but Muralitharan and Barnes also did great to secure the top two spots.

Thinking about ranking them in the same order lol.

 

[DrWolverine]

I know you are talking about pacers only, but Muralitharan and Barnes also did great to secure the top two spots.

Thinking about ranking them in the same order lol.

First 74 years of cricket : Bradman & Barnes

Next 74 years of cricket : It’s close.

Many contenders are there. Top picks would be :

Sachin. Smith. Sobers.

Muralitharan. Marshall. McGrath.

 

[sayon basak]

First 74 years of cricket : Bradman & Barnes

Next 74 years of cricket : It’s close.

Many contenders are there. Top picks would be :

Sachin. Smith. Sobers.

Muralitharan. Marshall. McGrath.

Yeah basically. Include Lara, Sobers, Hadlee, Warne etc and you're good.

 

[DrWolverine]

Yeah basically. Include Lara, Sobers, Hadlee, Warne etc and you're good.

Yeah. There is no single best batsman or bowler in the last 75 years who was light years ahead of his peers like Bradman was and it’s expected.

 

[sayon basak]

Yeah. There is no single best batsman or bowler in the last 75 years who was light years ahead of his peers like Bradman was and it’s expected.

Hobbs, Hommond (and obviously Grace) deserves a mention.

 

[DrWolverine]

Hobbs, Hommond (and obviously Grace) deserves a mention.

Nothing against them. Don was just simply on another level. Forget about cricket, he was probably the dominant sportsperson.

I am not sure if there is any other sport where there exists a sportsperson who was miles ahead of the second best like Bradman.

 

[sayon basak]

Nothing against them. Don was just simply on another level. Forget about cricket, he was probably the dominant sportsperson.

I am not sure if there is any other sport where there exists a sportsperson who was miles ahead of the second best like Bradman.

Although I agree, but they do deserve a mention tho. Hobbs is a top 3 batter of all time and WG was the greatest sportsperson before Don.

 

[sayon basak]

Hadlee was a one man army in a weak team

Talking about weak team........

 

[Johan]

Isn’t that the same with Barnes?
Great against Aus and God like against SA
WPM drops down from 11.8 to 5.3
vs Aus : 20 Tests. 106 wickets. Avg of 21.5.
vs SA : 7 Tests. 83 wickets. Avg of 9.85

1900s SA was a stronger team, and pre 1890 the pitches were more or less unplayable for batters

 

[Johan]

Barnes definitely destroys Murali

 

[sayon basak]

Barnes definitely destroys Murali

800 wickets @22.7 is pretty good.

IND and AUS could be an argument (Warne wasn't any better in IND tbh).

Muralitharan's 7 ten wickets in a match alone is just too good.

 

[Johan]

800 wickets @22.7 is pretty good.

IND and AUS could be an argument (Warne wasn't any better in IND tbh).

2000s Zimbabwe bullying at home, and 2000s Bangladesh bullying aside, what does he average?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Isn’t that the same with Barnes?
Great against Aus and God like against SA
WPM drops down from 11.8 to 5.3
vs Aus : 20 Tests. 106 wickets. Avg of 21.5.
vs SA : 7 Tests. 83 wickets. Avg of 9.85

Lohmann played against a SA which was so bad Wisden didn't count them as FC, let alone Test, till 1970s.

 

[sayon basak]

2000s Zimbabwe bullying at home, and 2000s Bangladesh bullying aside, what does he average?

Without Zim and BAN, he took 624 wickets @24.88, still better than Warne's career average.

I know why you're upset. Muralitharan took 3 ten wickets in a match in ENG, that's why.

 

[Johan]

Without Zim and BAN, he took 624 wickets @24.88, still better than Warne's career average.

I know why you're upset. Muralitharan took 3 ten wickets in a match in ENG, that's why.

I'm genuinely not trying to start Warne vs Murali lol

I rate the spinners but without minnow bashing they're both 25 averaging bowlers, thus I fail to see a reason to say they're better than say Ambrose, just a lot more potent against stronger batting lineups.

 

[sayon basak]

I'm genuinely not trying to start Warne vs Murali lol

I rate the spinners but without minnow bashing they're both 25 averaging bowlers, thus I fail to see a reason to say they're better than say Ambrose, just a lot more potent against stronger batting lineups.

Ok let's agree to disagree.
(There's no other option tbh)

 

[Johan]

f

Ok let's agree to disagree.
(There's no other option tbh)

fair

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[Johan]

so, Barnes the GOAT?