Jasprit Bumrah vs Sydney Barnes

[kyear2]

Need more recent bias in this sport.When it comes strictly to playing cricket and skills Barnes is nowhere near Bumrah. If you talk about greatness that's a different topic but just being better? Bumrah all day. 29 year old Barnes once tried to get a raise from his 3 pounds a week salary at his club and his club dropped him forever. Cricket wasn't a serious sport played by full time professionals back then. Transport bumrah in a time machine to Barnes era. He would play 15 matches average 5 with the ball then be killed for witchcraft.

How much they are paid has zero correlation to talent.

 

[ma1978]

No way Bumrah is better than Barnes. He is on neck to neck with Cummins right now and yet to steer clear of others as the current best bowler let alone all time.

right now the difference between Bumrah andCummins is greater than the difference between Cummins and Hazelwood.

 

[sayon basak]

Barnes is greater than anyone bar
Muralitharan/Marshall

I kind of like this.

@capt_Luffy should I adopt this?

 

[sayon basak]

Need more recent bias in this sport.When it comes strictly to playing cricket and skills Barnes is nowhere near Bumrah. If you talk about greatness that's a different topic but just being better? Bumrah all day. 29 year old Barnes once tried to get a raise from his 3 pounds a week salary at his club and his club dropped him forever. Cricket wasn't a serious sport played by full time professionals back then. Transport bumrah in a time machine to Barnes era. He would play 15 matches average 5 with the ball then be killed for witchcraft.

The way you're comparing eras is stupid (like, pakpassion level stupid)
That'd be like saying Einstein would've surpassed Newton if he were to time travel to that time.

 

[sayon basak]

here are some footages of Barnes bowling leg breaks at the age of 80:-

We may ask Bumrah to bowl some yorkers when he turns 80 to compare maybe?

 

[sayon basak]

Grace earned more than a million pounds in today's valuation, despite being an "amateur".

Hey maybe I could earn some if bowled some left arm wrist spin back in those days?

 

[Coronis]

Need more recent bias in this sport.When it comes strictly to playing cricket and skills Barnes is nowhere near Bumrah. If you talk about greatness that's a different topic but just being better? Bumrah all day. 29 year old Barnes once tried to get a raise from his 3 pounds a week salary at his club and his club dropped him forever. Cricket wasn't a serious sport played by full time professionals back then. Transport bumrah in a time machine to Barnes era. He would play 15 matches average 5 with the ball then be killed for witchcraft.

Doubt it. Check out Barnes’ Lancashire League average.

 

[sayon basak]

Doubt it. Check out Barnes’ Lancashire League average.

Including every match (test, FC, leagues, county, minor county etc) he played, Barnes took wickets @7/8, and still wasn't killed for witchcraft.

 

[DrWolverine]

How much they are paid has zero correlation to talent.

Best example : Dhoni

 

[sayon basak]

Format	overs bowled	Maidens bowled	Runs conceded	wickets	average
Test matches	1313.3	358	3106	189	16.41
County Cricket	1931.2	633	4456	226	19.71
Other FC matches	2028.3	620	4600	304	15.13
For Staffordshire	5457.3	1647	11754	1441	8.15
League and Club	12802	3532	27974	4069	6.03

 

[sayon basak]

Best example : Dhoni

Dhoni was a good ODI player, top 5 of all time.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Barnes is arguably The best bowler ever.

Let Bumrah take 300 ish wicket at first at 20-21 at least..

 

[sayon basak]

Barnes is arguably The best bowler ever.

Let Bumrah take 300 ish wicket at first at 20-21 at least..

This.

 

[DrWolverine]

Barnes is arguably The best bowler ever.

Let Bumrah take 300 ish wicket at first at 20-21 at least..

This.

Just curious. If Bumrah takes 300+ wickets at 20, would you say he surpassed Barnes?

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Just curious. If Bumrah takes 300+ wickets at 20, would you say he surpassed Barnes?

He would be in handful of bowlers top 7-8 without a doubt. You could then make a case for Bumrah over anyone. I could understand the voting for him then, though 350+ is where I think he would have a strong enough case for being The Best Ever.
Imho Barnes does and so do only 4 ish bowlers to have ever walked this planet.

 

[DrWolverine]

Imho Barnes does and so do only 4 ish bowlers to have ever walked this planet.

Barnes. Marshall. McGrath. Hadlee.
Are these the four names?

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Barnes. Marshall. McGrath. Hadlee.
Are these the four names?

Murali too I would say has an argument imho. Those are the 5 in my mind.

My favorite bowler of them all is actually O’Reilly who I think would be up there too without WW2. And as much as I love him and to be very honest given lack of career due to WW2, he doesn’t quite have the case.

 

[sayon basak]

Just curious. If Bumrah takes 300+ wickets at 20, would you say he surpassed Barnes?

Let's say, he takes 350 wickets @20, and has an ATG series in NZ, then he'd be competing with Marshall/McGrath/Hadlee, and I rate those 3 ahead of Barnes.

But for now, I'll stick to Barnes.

 

[DrWolverine]

My favorite bowler of them all is actually O’Reilly

How old are you?

Murali too I would say has an argument imho. Those are the 5 in my mind.

True. Legend.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

How old are you?

Not that old to have seen O’Reilly. Won’t say the exact age. Just heard and read lot of O’Reilly when growing up. Everyone seemed to just talk about him so very highly. That has forever stick to my memory.