Jasprit Bumrah vs Sydney Barnes

[sayon basak]

I know it is tough to compare across eras

Bumrah stands out as the undisputed best pacer since his debut so he it would be fine I guess.

Across formats? McGrath and Hadlee were ATG in ODI.

 

[DrWolverine]

Across formats? McGrath and Hadlee were ATG in ODI.

Across formats? Right now it’s McGrath among pacers and Murali among spinners.

Hadlee has a great record in ODIs as well but not comfortable ranking him ahead of McGrath in ODIs.

Garner is a peculiar case. I honestly don’t know how to rank him. He was more of a support bowler in Tests.

 

[ankitj]

 

[ankitj]

Same record by SRs

 

[_00_deathscar]

Crazy that Bumrah has played almost as many away tests as Steyn and Starc, and more than Cummins
Does the longevity discussion need to be revisited?

 

[kyear2]

Still, I feel like the former bowlers faced batters from a tougher era (Thanks to T20, things are gonna get worse only).

But yeah 350+ wickets @20 or less would be too good to underrate him.

This will be part of the legacy as well. McGrath has the dead pitches during the second half of his career, Hadlee did it alone, Marshall had the all round record, the skill set and the intimidation not to add Maco and Pigeon took their teams to the heights of the greatest ever.

Hit 350 and Bumrah can join the debate though. Probably 300?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Still, I feel like the former bowlers faced batters from a tougher era (Thanks to T20, things are gonna get worse only).

But yeah 350+ wickets @20 or less would be too good to underrate him.

I think test batting was generally fine till 2022 but it’s started to decline since and been awful in 2024. Bazball and T20 ruined cricket. We’re going to see bowlers put up better numbers as a result now.

 

[sayon basak]

I think test batting was generally fine till 2022 but it’s started to decline since and been awful in 2024. Bazball and T20 ruined cricket. We’re going to see bowlers put up better numbers as a result now.

Tbh, Bumrah is the only one who is putting up unreal numbers. Cummins' and Rabada's numbers are pretty normal by that standard, others are doing as good as the batters are doing.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Tbh, Bumrah is the only one who is putting up unreal numbers. Cummins' and Rabada's numbers are pretty normal by that standard, others are doing as good as the batters are doing.

I think it’s going to be significantly worse from now on tbh while those three played quite a bit before as well. Run rates have increased significantly this year.

No doubt Bumrah is on track to be a top 10 fast bowler though.

 

[ankitj]

Crazy that Bumrah has played almost as many away tests as Steyn and Starc, and more than Cummins
Does the longevity discussion need to be revisited?

That stat excludes any matches Steyn played in UAE because they are neutral. Conveniently excludes one neutral match for Bumrah too

 

[sayon basak]

Crazy that Bumrah has played almost as many away tests as Steyn and Starc, and more than Cummins
Does the longevity discussion need to be revisited?

Has Played for 6 years. Let him play for 4/5 years and longevity isn't an issue.

 

[Coronis]

I mean, India's first ATG played before Barnes.....

King Ranjitsinhji

I doubt Bumrah would’ve had the funds to go to Cambridge and become a noted player like Ranji and Duleep.

 

[DrWolverine]

Fast bowlers who have taken more wickets than Bumrah in a calendar year at an average of less than 21

Bumrah : 66 wickets in 2024 @ 15.19
Donald : 80 wickets in 1998 @ 19.63
Steyn : 74 wickets in 2008 @ 20.01
Marshall : 73 wickets in 1984 @ 20.15
Pollock : 69 wickets in 1998 @ 20.47
Garner : 79 wickets in 1984 @ 20.6
Lillee : 85 wickets in 1981 @ 20.95

 

[sayon basak]

Fast bowlers who have taken more wickets than Bumrah in a calendar year at an average of less than 21

Bumrah : 66 wickets in 2024 @ 15.19
Donald : 80 wickets in 1998 @ 19.63
Steyn : 74 wickets in 2008 @ 20.01
Marshall : 73 wickets in 1984 @ 20.15
Pollock : 69 wickets in 1998 @ 20.47
Garner : 79 wickets in 1984 @ 20.6
Lillee : 85 wickets in 1981 @ 20.95

Hopefully Bumrah plays the last match and goes past a lot of those mentioned.

 

[Window]

Hopefully Bumrah plays the last match and goes past a lot of those mentioned.

The Sydney match will begin in the next calendar year, so Bumrah will have just one more inning this match to increase his count. He might go past Pollock but not the rest.

 

[sayon basak]

The Sydney match will begin into the new year, so Bumrah will have just one more inning this match to increase his count. He might go past Pollock but not the rest.

Oh sorry I forgot.

 

[Coronis]

Fast bowlers who have taken more wickets than Bumrah in a calendar year at an average of less than 21

Bumrah : 66 wickets in 2024 @ 15.19
Donald : 80 wickets in 1998 @ 19.63
Steyn : 74 wickets in 2008 @ 20.01
Marshall : 73 wickets in 1984 @ 20.15
Pollock : 69 wickets in 1998 @ 20.47
Garner : 79 wickets in 1984 @ 20.6
Lillee : 85 wickets in 1981 @ 20.95

Windies in 1984 11-1-3
SA in 1998 7-4-4

Pretty underwhelming for both tbh.

 

[DrWolverine]

Windies in 1984 11-1-3
SA in 1998 7-4-4

Pretty underwhelming for both tbh.

SA? Yes. But they were not a great batting unit.
WI? Lost just one match.

 

[Coronis]

SA? Yes. But they were not a great batting unit.
WI? Lost just one match.

You wouldn’t expect them to lose any, surely. Especially since the team averaged 41 batting. But their loss was huge. By an innings, no less.

 

[Johan]

technically the match started in 1984 and ended in 1985