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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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DougieRydal
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Just bizarre selecting Chapman, choose Mariu as your backup, then if something happens to an opener, you have a ready made replacement, and if a middle order bat goes down you choose Mariu to open and Young bats middle order. Looks to back to the old 'must be 30 to get a gig' thinking.
The difference in approach to everything (selection/tactics) between McCullum and Stokes v Stead and Latham is mind boggling.
The difference in approach to everything (selection/tactics) between McCullum and Stokes v Stead and Latham is mind boggling.
anonymouskefe
U19 Debutant
they clearly have the better two of the 4 kiwis in terms of selection
Flem274*
123/5
I think McCullum and Stokes' selections suck tbh. It's vibes based dribble and will slap them in the face reasonably often. Going full yolo is just 90s to 00s NZ selection.
Chapman is both one of the best batsmen available with a range of shots and deserves a call up based on performance. I don't think McCullum or Stokes would be actively anti Chapman in Stead's place.
It's the clinging to low percentage players that grates. Southee fails the eye test. Slow, not particularly accurate and no late movement.
The rest look varying degrees of crap but they all can't be cooked. That's why I think they need something Stead can't provide to get balance and confidence back in the batting.
Chapman is both one of the best batsmen available with a range of shots and deserves a call up based on performance. I don't think McCullum or Stokes would be actively anti Chapman in Stead's place.
It's the clinging to low percentage players that grates. Southee fails the eye test. Slow, not particularly accurate and no late movement.
The rest look varying degrees of crap but they all can't be cooked. That's why I think they need something Stead can't provide to get balance and confidence back in the batting.
DougieRydal
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
The selection policy seems to be paying off v NZ at the very least, if you're not convinced about the wider sample size. Sure adds some excitement to those following and watching.
I agree with the Southee comment, if he plays in Hamilton, it's not because he's best placed to help the team win, it's solely for sentimental reasons.
I wonder if he ever thinks about knocking on the coaches door to say 'Hey I'm not contributing and haven't been for some time, let someone else have a run'. I guess he did that to some degree when giving up the captaincy, or was that subtlety suggested to him?
I'm not sold on Chapman, I'd like to see youth given the chance, this is another 30 year old, but I hope he does well if he gets a run.
I posted in the 'Doom and Gloom' thread re the last time NZ batsmen scored 100's, it makes for sobering reading.
I agree with the Southee comment, if he plays in Hamilton, it's not because he's best placed to help the team win, it's solely for sentimental reasons.
I wonder if he ever thinks about knocking on the coaches door to say 'Hey I'm not contributing and haven't been for some time, let someone else have a run'. I guess he did that to some degree when giving up the captaincy, or was that subtlety suggested to him?
I'm not sold on Chapman, I'd like to see youth given the chance, this is another 30 year old, but I hope he does well if he gets a run.
I posted in the 'Doom and Gloom' thread re the last time NZ batsmen scored 100's, it makes for sobering reading.
Neil Young
State Vice-Captain
What selections in the 90s could be filed under yolo? The cupboard was bare back in them days, and the team was rife with division.
But, Stokes and McCullum's selections may well be vibe based drivel (I don't personally agree) but they are just so much better than Stead's.
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
@RossTaylorsBox believes the xtra cash he's sucking up is putting a halt to that.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
They also don't like to go outside those on the contracted list unless they really have to.
I read a really good article about the fast bowlers, written by Steven Finn: https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cwydel7r9xyo
He seems to think there's method to the madness
Speaking of good articles, I absolutely loved this one on Lou Vincent: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...tch-fixing-shame-turned-my-family-against-me/
Absolutely captures the person that Lou is. Couldn't meet a better bloke, who made a big mistake in his life but owned it, and is now spending the rest of his life making amends.
Absolutely captures the person that Lou is. Couldn't meet a better bloke, who made a big mistake in his life but owned it, and is now spending the rest of his life making amends.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
The thought of people yelling abuse in public at a guy who cheated at sport and has already been heavily punished is insane to me. It's not like he diddled kids or physically hurt someone.
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
People get furious about it because they're told taking money for sports is one of the worst crimes you can possibly do. Same guys are having a punt at the TAB an hour later.
Also great article, but is his son's name literally Vinnie Vincent?
Also great article, but is his son's name literally Vinnie Vincent?
James
Cricket Web Owner
Thanks for sharing Steve, that was a good read.
As NZ fans, and now getting a better sense than Scott Weenink seems to be a boardroom Gary Stead clone, are we underestimating the potential that Gary Raymond could be reappointed? I mean, his CV is going to likely be as strong, if not more than any applicant...this organisation seems to value continuation, it could only be player influence that rules him out, right?
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
I remember somebody posting that they saw an interview with Simon Doull where he said he'd spoken to people at NZC who said they were prepared to "get the checkbook out" for the next NZ coach. Also the results in the last 12 month (apart from the India series - which we all know was entirely my doing) have been dreadful. By comparison when he had his contract renewed in 2023, he had decent performances in the World T20 and home test summer to fall back on. So I think Stead has probably run out of road (unless NZ somehow wins the Champions trophy).
Also worth noting that Heinrich Malan is coming out of contract with Ireland later this year.
Also worth noting that Heinrich Malan is coming out of contract with Ireland later this year.
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I know absolutely nothing, or very little about international coaches. Who would come at a high price and needs 'the cheque book' thrown at them?
Or is it as I expect, and the coaches you might want, don't really want $ at all (unless, obviously, it is mega bucks) but they want to be home 9-10 months of the year?
I'm not interested in the likes of Jason Gillespie, who has hopped around from side to side with varying successes. Malan, that might be different. We want a strong man manager, who will bring in the right support staff around him, not the standard fare we've thrown up over the last 5 years.
I look at Scott Weenink and the decisions he's made so far, and the feeble sound bites in public, and I don't back that this is a guy who wants to push NZ boldly forward with someone who might not tick the usual boxes on a CV. But I hope I'm wrong
Or is it as I expect, and the coaches you might want, don't really want $ at all (unless, obviously, it is mega bucks) but they want to be home 9-10 months of the year?
I'm not interested in the likes of Jason Gillespie, who has hopped around from side to side with varying successes. Malan, that might be different. We want a strong man manager, who will bring in the right support staff around him, not the standard fare we've thrown up over the last 5 years.
I look at Scott Weenink and the decisions he's made so far, and the feeble sound bites in public, and I don't back that this is a guy who wants to push NZ boldly forward with someone who might not tick the usual boxes on a CV. But I hope I'm wrong
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
I don't know if a big name former international player is what we need either. Those kinds of overseas stars will have a hard time adjusting to a resource-limited setup like NZ.
jcas0167
International Regular
I wonder if someone like Oram could be a future BC's head coach. Has mainly had assistant roles to date.
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Former player Jacob Oram to join Black Caps as bowling coach
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, I'd prefer someone like Malan to Gillespie. Knows the system. Knows a lot of the players. Knows what it takes to win in New Zealand. But now also has some experience of working in an international environment. Admittedly his results with Ireland are distinctly mixed, but I imagine a lot of that is out of his control. At the very least, given what he accomplished with KJ, it seems possible he'd make an excellent bowling coach.
And yeah, the support staff will be crucial. Luke Ronchi as batting coach and Jacob Oram as bowling coach do not inspire confidence. I could be totally wrong on that one, they could be amazing, but if so it's had zero impact on team performance. From the outside looking in it looks like another case of jobs for good team players who won't rock the boat but don't actually bring a lot to the table. And the complete absence of a fielding coach is another issue that needs to be addressed.