How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[Slifer]

This version of the Indian team is akin to WI in 1995-96. A pale shadow of what it once was in the decade prior.

I will rebut this though. WI in '95 was without any of the players from the 80s that made them great. This Indian team still has Kohli, their best wk batsmen ever, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah. This Indian team is more akin to 90/91 WI who still had some of the great 80s players but who were in their twilight, thus resulting in their just edging Eng and Aus of that time. And I expect India, unlike WI to rebuild/regroup fast and dominate at home again and be very good on the road.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I will say though, New Zealand played better and deserved this victory. We underprepared for them. But I won't go too doom and gloom right now. Most teams are struggling right now, especially with the batting. All of the Indian batsmen bar Rohit atleast had one innings of note in these 2 matches. India by far has the best bowling attack, it was just a series in which all of Ash-Jadeja-Bumrah severely underperformed together. New Zealand batted and bowled well, and deservedly won. Nothing more really, though it's about time we start to develop the successors of Ashwin-Jadeja and plan for a future without Kohli.

 

[subshakerz]

I will rebut this though. WI in '95 was without any of the players from the 80s that made them great. This Indian team still has Kohli, their best wk batsmen ever, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah. This Indian team is more akin to 90/91 WI who still had some of the great 80s players but who were in their twilight, thus resulting in their just edging Eng and Aus of that time. And I expect India, unlike WI to rebuild/regroup fast and dominate at home again and be very good on the road.

Like the WI of the late 80s, this Indian side is really suffering more on aging batting than bowling.

 

[subshakerz]

I will say though, New Zealand played better and deserved this victory. We underprepared for them. But I won't go too doom and gloom right now. Most teams are struggling right now, especially with the batting. All of the Indian batsmen bar Rohit atleast had one innings of note in these 2 matches. India by far has the best bowling attack, it was just a series in which all of Ash-Jadeja-Bumrah severely underperformed together. New Zealand batted and bowled well, and deservedly won. Nothing more really, though it's about time we start to develop the successors of Ashwin-Jadeja and plan for a future without Kohli.

This series reminds me somewhat of the 2012 loss where it was a sign of a transition about to occur. I agree no need for Indian cricket to panic. Likely won't lose another home series for a long time.

 

[Slifer]

I will say though, New Zealand played better and deserved this victory. We underprepared for them. But I won't go too doom and gloom right now. Most teams are struggling right now, especially with the batting. All of the Indian batsmen bar Rohit atleast had one innings of note in these 2 matches. India by far has the best bowling attack, it was just a series in which all of Ash-Jadeja-Bumrah severely underperformed together. New Zealand batted and bowled well, and deservedly won. Nothing more really, though it's about time we start to develop the successors of Ashwin-Jadeja and plan for a future without Kohli.

I don't think India bowled badly at all. NZ didn't score any particularly massive scores. Just that India's batting has been unpredictably woeful atm. 46 one innings, then 408-3 only to collapse for 462. No test standard team has any business being bowled out for under 100. This test was more of the same. The bowlers did their job for India but the batting...smh.

 

[Slifer]

Like the WI of the late 80s, this Indian side is really suffering more on aging batting than bowling.

Yes this exactly.

 

[subshakerz]

Kohli sad to say looked cooked. I really hoped he would have a resurgence to bring that test average to 50.as he deserves.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't think India bowled badly at all. NZ didn't score any particularly massive scores. Just that India's batting has been unpredictably woeful atm. 46 one innings, then 408-3 only to collapse for 462. No test standard team has any business being bowled out for under 100. This test was more of the same. The bowlers did their job for India but the batting...smh.

I will say such batting collapses have occurred frequently. Not great for our batting, but in general our bowlers do better. But by the standards of Ashwin-Jadeja-Bumrah; they all did severely underperformed, especially Bumrah.

 

[subshakerz]

I will say such batting collapses have occurred frequently. Not great for our batting, but in general our bowlers do better. But by the standards of Ashwin-Jadeja-Bumrah; they all did severely underperformed, especially Bumrah.

Conceivably if they got NZ out for 150, they could have chased this. But the way NZ coasted relatively yesterday was really odd to see. I guess every attack has a shocker in the field I guess.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I will say such batting collapses have occurred frequently. Not great for our batting, but in general our bowlers do better. But by the standards of Ashwin-Jadeja-Bumrah; they all did severely underperformed, especially Bumrah.

Agreed, but still it’s not like NZ put up some obscene scores.
Coming back from 46 was always going to be a bitch, at least that can be excused because it was SO bad.
There are no excuses for having NZ 259 all out and then putting up those batting performances.

The Indian scores are also masked by a slight (not as big as usual) lower order resistance - without Jadeja and Washy in the first innings we score 100.

 

[Slifer]

Agreed, but still it’s not like NZ put up some obscene scores.
Coming back from 46 was always going to be a bitch, at least that can be excused because it was SO bad.
There are no excuses for having NZ 259 all out and then putting up those batting performances.

The Indian scores are also masked by a slight (not as big as usual) lower order resistance - without Jadeja and Washy in the first innings we score 100.

Awta!!!

 

[subshakerz]

Agreed, but still it’s not like NZ put up some obscene scores.
Coming back from 46 was always going to be a bitch, at least that can be excused because it was SO bad.
There are no excuses for having NZ 259 all out and then putting up those batting performances.

Yeah I disagree. On lottery spin pitches you can't always bank on a single game that your team will outscore the other. Over the course of a series yes, but India has already lost tests like this.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Yeah I disagree. On lottery spin pitches you can't always bank on a single game that your team will outscore the other. Over the course of a series yes, but India has already lost tests like this.

This wasn’t some crazy lottery pitch. If it was NZ would have been bowled out for 150 type scores at best.
Jaiswal scored 70-odd, Jadeja scored 38 and 42 or whatever. Our batsmen are just utter ****.

 

[capt_Luffy]

This wasn’t some crazy lottery pitch. If it was NZ would have been bowled out for 150 type scores at best.
Jaiswal scored 70-odd, Jadeja scored 38 and 42 or whatever. Our batsmen are just utter ****.

He really thinks every Turner is a pitch lottery in India.....

 

[kyear2]

I will say though, New Zealand played better and deserved this victory. We underprepared for them. But I won't go too doom and gloom right now. Most teams are struggling right now, especially with the batting. All of the Indian batsmen bar Rohit atleast had one innings of note in these 2 matches. India by far has the best bowling attack, it was just a series in which all of Ash-Jadeja-Bumrah severely underperformed together. New Zealand batted and bowled well, and deservedly won. Nothing more really, though it's about time we start to develop the successors of Ashwin-Jadeja and plan for a future without Kohli.

Did Bumrah underperform or did uall prepare a pitch that took the ball out of the hands of your best player?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Did Bumrah underperform or did uall prepare a pitch that took the ball out of the hands of your best player?

A great pacer is hardly toothless anywhere. And really? 3 Innings were 250 ish among the 4. The pitch was slow turner, but hardly a numbingly mindless one.

 

[kyear2]

Agreed, but still it’s not like NZ put up some obscene scores.
Coming back from 46 was always going to be a bitch, at least that can be excused because it was SO bad.
There are no excuses for having NZ 259 all out and then putting up those batting performances.

The Indian scores are also masked by a slight (not as big as usual) lower order resistance - without Jadeja and Washy in the first innings we score 100.

Winning masks a lot, and I've heard forum members for a while talk about how Ash or Jadeja saved the innings or some rear guard action, and to me that's not the most sustainable way to build innings and it's not the mark of a great team.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[subshakerz]

Wining masks a lot, and I've heard forum members for a while talk about how Ash or Jadeja saved the innings or some rear guard action, and to me that's not the most sustainable way to build innings and it's not the mark of a great team.

But that's just my opinion.

How dare you. Take that back, sir.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Someone is having way too much fun here...... Well, whatever gets one's nuts off

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Must be such a great day for subs with both Pakistan and New Zealand winning