How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[Xix2565]

Which other recent threads like this pray tell? I think all of the angst aside, the topic for this thread is genuinely merit worthy for debate.

The topic is one thing, the intent is another entirely. As for other threads:

How much more valuable is a top bowler over a top bat?

Having this debate in the PC forum. How much of an advantage would you give in rating top bowlers in your rankings as cricketers over too bats based on their value to the side? Is it a 60/40 advantage? Equal? Or a lot more?

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Are high averages a deal breaker for ATG bowlers?

Many posters here have a condition of ATG pacers needing a sub 25 average to have an acceptable 'great' record in a country or against an opponent. But what if your SR and wicket yield is impressive but your average is slightly higher? For example, Lillee averages 27 against WI while taking 55...

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How much did slip cordons affect McGrath's and Wasim's records?

To what extent does having an exceptional versus a poor cordon affect the records of these pacers? What would their records look like if they switched cordons?

www.cricketweb.net

Rank the trophy in order of importance

For your team, how would you rank the below trophies, including both LOI and Tests together. ODI WC, T20 WC, ICC Champions Trophy. WTC, Series wins in difficult touring countries of Aus/Eng/Ind/SA

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Which pacer swung the ball the most?

As the title suggests, which pacer was able to consistently achieve the highest degree of lateral movement across conditions?

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What is the worst series performance by an ATG bowler?

Assuming the bowler is in their prime and not injured, what is the worst bashing for an ATG bowlers?

www.cricketweb.net

 

[honestbharani]

CW's Trump falling apart...

 

[subshakerz]

The topic is one thing, the intent is another entirely. As for other threads:

How much more valuable is a top bowler over a top bat?

Having this debate in the PC forum. How much of an advantage would you give in rating top bowlers in your rankings as cricketers over too bats based on their value to the side? Is it a 60/40 advantage? Equal? Or a lot more?

www.cricketweb.net

Are high averages a deal breaker for ATG bowlers?

Many posters here have a condition of ATG pacers needing a sub 25 average to have an acceptable 'great' record in a country or against an opponent. But what if your SR and wicket yield is impressive but your average is slightly higher? For example, Lillee averages 27 against WI while taking 55...

www.cricketweb.net

How much did slip cordons affect McGrath's and Wasim's records?

To what extent does having an exceptional versus a poor cordon affect the records of these pacers? What would their records look like if they switched cordons?

www.cricketweb.net

Rank the trophy in order of importance

For your team, how would you rank the below trophies, including both LOI and Tests together. ODI WC, T20 WC, ICC Champions Trophy. WTC, Series wins in difficult touring countries of Aus/Eng/Ind/SA

www.cricketweb.net

Which pacer swung the ball the most?

As the title suggests, which pacer was able to consistently achieve the highest degree of lateral movement across conditions?

www.cricketweb.net

What is the worst series performance by an ATG bowler?

Assuming the bowler is in their prime and not injured, what is the worst bashing for an ATG bowlers?

www.cricketweb.net

Are you are just posting any thread that generated strong responses? Or is this just a bad faith reading of any thread I do?

And frankly if the topic is good enough I don't care what any posters intent is.

 

[Coronis]

Are you are just posting any thread that generated strong responses? Or is this just a bad faith reading of any thread I do?

And frankly if the topic is good enough I don't care what any posters intent is.

I seriously doubt this. You yourself have a strong history of agenda bashing other posters.

 

[subshakerz]

I seriously doubt this. You yourself have a strong history of agenda bashing other posters.

Agenda is just a euphemism for certain posters for opinions they don't like.

 

[sayon basak]

The topic is one thing, the intent is another entirely. As for other threads:

How much more valuable is a top bowler over a top bat?

Having this debate in the PC forum. How much of an advantage would you give in rating top bowlers in your rankings as cricketers over too bats based on their value to the side? Is it a 60/40 advantage? Equal? Or a lot more?

www.cricketweb.net

Are high averages a deal breaker for ATG bowlers?

Many posters here have a condition of ATG pacers needing a sub 25 average to have an acceptable 'great' record in a country or against an opponent. But what if your SR and wicket yield is impressive but your average is slightly higher? For example, Lillee averages 27 against WI while taking 55...

www.cricketweb.net

How much did slip cordons affect McGrath's and Wasim's records?

To what extent does having an exceptional versus a poor cordon affect the records of these pacers? What would their records look like if they switched cordons?

www.cricketweb.net

Rank the trophy in order of importance

For your team, how would you rank the below trophies, including both LOI and Tests together. ODI WC, T20 WC, ICC Champions Trophy. WTC, Series wins in difficult touring countries of Aus/Eng/Ind/SA

www.cricketweb.net

Which pacer swung the ball the most?

As the title suggests, which pacer was able to consistently achieve the highest degree of lateral movement across conditions?

www.cricketweb.net

What is the worst series performance by an ATG bowler?

Assuming the bowler is in their prime and not injured, what is the worst bashing for an ATG bowlers?

www.cricketweb.net

Looks like a bunch of random threads copy pasted.

 

[honestbharani]

yeah, random...

 

[Slifer]

Ok so I've given India a day to lick their wounds. Back to the topic of this thread and I still think Kohli’s India beats both teams at home by a single test. The only team IMO, capable of drawing or even beating Kohli's team in India is another Indian team like the one i listed:

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Sachin
VVS
Ganguly*
Patel+
Kumble
Pathan
Zaheer
Harbajan

 

[subshakerz]

Ok so I've given India a day to lick their wounds. Back to the topic of this thread and I still think Kohli’s India beats both teams at home by a single test. The only team IMO, capable of drawing or even beating Kohli's team in India is another Indian team like the one i listed:

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Sachin
VVS
Ganguly*
Patel+
Kumble
Pathan
Zaheer
Harbajan

I think all three teams beat Kohlis team which doesn't have the same quality of top and middle order.

But 2000s India vs Kohlis team would be a great contest.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ok so I've given India a day to lick their wounds. Back to the topic of this thread and I still think Kohli’s India beats both teams at home by a single test. The only team IMO, capable of drawing or even beating Kohli's team in India is another Indian team like the one i listed:

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Sachin
VVS
Ganguly*
Patel+
Kumble
Pathan
Zaheer
Harbajan

Thanks for the rest day, unlike someone else..... I will give Australia a better chance than this India really. An absolutely Top tier batting, but the bowling isn't just there, especially in India. WI will also beat this team in India, much superior bowling despite pitch.

 

[Slifer]

Thanks for the rest day, unlike someone else..... I will give Australia a better chance than this India really. An absolutely Top tier batting, but the bowling isn't just there, especially in India. WI will also beat this team in India, much superior bowling despite pitch.

Interesting take.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Interesting take.

Zaheer averages mid 30s in India and Irfan 45 against non minnows; and then there is Harbhajan...... Also given the team being realistic, this Kumble is washed up and far away from his best days.

 

[Xix2565]

Are you are just posting any thread that generated strong responses? Or is this just a bad faith reading of any thread I do?

And frankly if the topic is good enough I don't care what any posters intent is.

I answered your query, whether you like it or not is not my problem.

 

[subshakerz]

I answered your query, whether you like it or not is not my problem.

Your answer was just to post random threads which anyone can see. Congrats.

 

[ma1978]

If the peak Australia side could have bested India why didn’t they.

 

[ma1978]

it’s easy to talk theoreticals bht the Aus side of the early 2000s (arguably the greatest to ever play the game) went 3-3 against a weaker side. The Aus side of 1998 which was no less successful went 1-2 against a very weak India side

 

[subshakerz]

If the peak Australia side could have bested India why didn’t they.

They did in 2004/5.

 

[subshakerz]

it’s easy to talk theoreticals bht the Aus side of the early 2000s (arguably the greatest to ever play the game) went 3-3 against a weaker side. The Aus side of 1998 which was no less successful went 1-2 against a very weak India side

They were beaten soundly in 98 with no real pacers. Tho it's worth pointing out that Aus had no proper series in India between 86 to 98, so the players came there fresh and totally out of their element, so the 98 loss was in part due to lack of adjustment to conditions.

They were much closer to winning in 2001 except for some miracle performances denying them.

Then they won convincingly in 2004/5 with experience in the conditions and the best squad of spin players.

Thats why regardless of whether you think Australia 2000s would lose to Kohlis team, a repeat series will almost certainly result in an Aussie victory as they would adapt, the same way the last three years teams have adapted better to conditions and led in part to more wins than in 2016-2019, for example more reverse sweeps tried to counter Ashwin-Jadeja.

However, no amount of touring by any non-ATG side will lead to an eventual victory against 2000s Aus in Aus.

 

[OverratedSanity]

They did in 2004/5.

Tendulkar injured doesn't count

 

[subshakerz]

Tendulkar injured doesn't count

Ponting injured too that series for Australia lol.