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A 40 away average is not much different to guys like Kohli, Greenidge, and Crowe
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Really raises the word "context" because Kohli is ATG in 2 countries and Great in a few more with only 1 weakness, and Martin Crowe's away average is the best example why we shan't read stats blindly.
kyear2
International Coach
BazBall21
International Captain
Arthur Morris had 4 good series at the start. Each were against mostly mediocre attacks. He was average after that. Lawry has some big performances v good attacks like 1961 England&1963-64 SAF and produced good output over a significantly longer period of time.
Lawry v Anwar is close.
Lawry v Anwar is close.
kyear2
International Coach
Ashes XI
Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
Smith
Hammond
Chappell
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
Trueman
McGrath
Sub Continent XI
Gavaskar
Anwar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Younis
Sangakkara
Imran
Wasim
Ashwin
Muralitharan
Bumrah
ROW
Richards
Greenidge
Richards
Lara
Kallis
Sobers
Lindsay
Hadlee
Marshall
Ambrose
Steyn
Yeah, not nearly as close as I would have thought in my head.
Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
Smith
Hammond
Chappell
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
Trueman
McGrath
Sub Continent XI
Gavaskar
Anwar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Younis
Sangakkara
Imran
Wasim
Ashwin
Muralitharan
Bumrah
ROW
Richards
Greenidge
Richards
Lara
Kallis
Sobers
Lindsay
Hadlee
Marshall
Ambrose
Steyn
Yeah, not nearly as close as I would have thought in my head.
Coronis
International Coach
Lindsay is a choice I don’t see often.
I’d have Sanga at least as above Younis. He was a pure #3 after all. Personally I’d have him #3, Tendulkar 4, Dravid 5, Younis 6, as I think preference should be given to the best bats.
Though I know many think of Dravid as superior so him at 3 and Sanga 5 is fine too.
Zinzan
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G Smith > Greenidge as an opening bat for me and you get the added bonus of his captaincy
Also that ROW pace bowling attack is easily the strongest of the 3 sides
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Good sides:
I'd go Border for Chappell and bat him at 5 - nice to have a lefthander in the top 6.
Perhaps Lindwall or Davidson for Trueman. Nice to have a left armer in Davo.
Not sure about Sanga as a keeper.
ROW
B Richards
Smith
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Faulkner
Watling
Hadlee
Marshall
Ambrose
Steyn
Coronis
International Coach
Mm if I had to make my own right now
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Smith
Hammond
Chappell
Gilchrist+
Lindwall
Davidson
Warne
McGrath
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Sangakkara
Tendulkar
Dravid
Younis
Pant+
Imran*
Wasim
Waqar
Murali
Smith*
Greenidge
Lara
Kallis
Richards
Sobers
Watling+
Hadlee
Marshall
Tayfield
Steyn
Bumrah likely in there ahead of Waqar soon.
Border and Chappell is close because of the part time spin vs part time medium (fun fact Chappell bowled a lot more)
Faulkner is an elegant solution but based on his era is bowling isn’t on Tayfield’s level. And yeah not sacrificing a full time spinner to have a 4 man pace attack particularly when there’s already Kallis and Sobers in play.
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Smith
Hammond
Chappell
Gilchrist+
Lindwall
Davidson
Warne
McGrath
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Sangakkara
Tendulkar
Dravid
Younis
Pant+
Imran*
Wasim
Waqar
Murali
Smith*
Greenidge
Lara
Kallis
Richards
Sobers
Watling+
Hadlee
Marshall
Tayfield
Steyn
Bumrah likely in there ahead of Waqar soon.
Border and Chappell is close because of the part time spin vs part time medium (fun fact Chappell bowled a lot more)
Faulkner is an elegant solution but based on his era is bowling isn’t on Tayfield’s level. And yeah not sacrificing a full time spinner to have a 4 man pace attack particularly when there’s already Kallis and Sobers in play.
Wondering why Lance Gibbs never gets a run in these teams. He was one of the few that actually held the world record for wickets
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Looks I will have to try my hands too.....
Ashes XI:
Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman*
Smith
Grace
Hammond
Gilchrist+
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
Barnes
Ashes A:
Sutcliffe
Trumper
Ponting
Chappell
Border*
Miller
Botham
Knott+
Lindwall
Trueman
O'Reilly
Ashes B:
Boycott
Rhodes
Ranji
Root
Barrington
Waugh
Ames+
Benaud*
Davidson
Cummins
Anderson
Ashes C:
Hayden
Simpson
Hill
Harvey
Compton
May
Healy+
Larwood
Bedser
Grimmett
Spofforth
Asia:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Sangakkara+
Tendulkar
Dravid
Miandad
Imran*
Jadeja
Akram
Waqar
Murali
Asia A:
Hanif
Merchant
Younis
Kohli*
Inzamam
Pant+
Dev
Ashwin
Kumble
Akhtar
Bumrah
Asia B:
Anwar
Mankad
Hazare
Jayawardene
Yousuf
Laxman
Dhoni+*
Vaas
Mahmood
Shami
Chandrashekhar
Asia C:
Majid
Engineer+
Pujara
Abbas
De Silva*
Amarnath
Mushtaq
Amar
Asif
Bedi
Nissar
RoW:
Greenidge
Barry
Viv*
Lara
Sobers
Flower+
Faulkner
Hadlee
Marshall
Ambrose
Steyn
RoW A:
G Smith*
Mitchell
Headley
G Pollock
Kallis
Weekes
ABD+
Procter
Tayfield
Holding
Garner
RoW B:
Goddard
Hunte
Kanhai
Worrell*
Nourse
Williamson
Walcott*
S Pollock
Roberts
Walsh
Gibbs
RoW C:
Barlow
Kirsten
Amla
Crowe
Lloyd*
Chanderpaul
Watling+
Vogler
Philander
Bishop
Rabada
Ashes XI:
Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman*
Smith
Grace
Hammond
Gilchrist+
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
Barnes
Ashes A:
Sutcliffe
Trumper
Ponting
Chappell
Border*
Miller
Botham
Knott+
Lindwall
Trueman
O'Reilly
Ashes B:
Boycott
Rhodes
Ranji
Root
Barrington
Waugh
Ames+
Benaud*
Davidson
Cummins
Anderson
Ashes C:
Hayden
Simpson
Hill
Harvey
Compton
May
Healy+
Larwood
Bedser
Grimmett
Spofforth
Asia:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Sangakkara+
Tendulkar
Dravid
Miandad
Imran*
Jadeja
Akram
Waqar
Murali
Asia A:
Hanif
Merchant
Younis
Kohli*
Inzamam
Pant+
Dev
Ashwin
Kumble
Akhtar
Bumrah
Asia B:
Anwar
Mankad
Hazare
Jayawardene
Yousuf
Laxman
Dhoni+*
Vaas
Mahmood
Shami
Chandrashekhar
Asia C:
Majid
Engineer+
Pujara
Abbas
De Silva*
Amarnath
Mushtaq
Amar
Asif
Bedi
Nissar
RoW:
Greenidge
Barry
Viv*
Lara
Sobers
Flower+
Faulkner
Hadlee
Marshall
Ambrose
Steyn
RoW A:
G Smith*
Mitchell
Headley
G Pollock
Kallis
Weekes
ABD+
Procter
Tayfield
Holding
Garner
RoW B:
Goddard
Hunte
Kanhai
Worrell*
Nourse
Williamson
Walcott*
S Pollock
Roberts
Walsh
Gibbs
RoW C:
Barlow
Kirsten
Amla
Crowe
Lloyd*
Chanderpaul
Watling+
Vogler
Philander
Bishop
Rabada
Thala_0710
State 12th Man
Good teams, although if you're playing ABD as a keeper bat, might as well have him in the first team over Flower
Coronis
International Coach
He’s a lock for my Windies side. But I’d go with Tayfield over him.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
It was close decision between those two..... Went with Flower as he kept throughout his career.
kyear2
International Coach
Just wanted him lower as he would be keeping, but understand your thinking as well.
Re Lindsay, should probably be Watling or Walcott tbh. BJ it is.
kyear2
International Coach
Chappell or Border was the toughest decision, but with Bradman there went Chappell for his catching over Border for his captaincy and being a leftie.
Yeah Lindwall was better and Davo brings more to the table, but the team was looking overwhelmingly Aussie, but you're right.
With the lack of all rounders in the top 6, Sanga was for me the only option.
Kallis was better, but yeah, Faulkner makes more sense and Sobers was better at 2nd and with the ball, so he wouldn't be missed that much.youre right.
kyear2
International Coach
The SC team lacks a legit 5th bowler, think that would be an issue.
Tayfield isn't as good as any of the 4 pacers and unless you're playing all the matches in India or SL not worth the down grade imho
The strength of the ROW is the pace attack, lean into it.
Coronis
International Coach
The issue is you’re losing out on batting compared to Ashes or RoW since you don’t have the luxury of a Hammond, Kallis, Sobers etc.
No mate, you need a proper spinner. Sometimes pitches are just better for spinners, and outside the subcontinent as well. Do Australia win that first test without Lyon’s 10’fer in NZ? Possibly, but it would at best be a lot closer.
I’m sick of this myth that spinners are practically worthless outside the SC.
Anyway assuming all 3 would play equal amounts of matches against each other does that mean what, RoW basically throws out the white flag in Asia?
kyear2
International Coach
IMHO can't take Grace over Chappell, Chappell is needed in the cordon and don't think Grace ever faced anything close to real/ modern pace.
I take Younis over Javed because they were practically identical as bats and Younis is the only option for 2nd. Don't think Jadeja is nearly good enough a bowler for the team, and at 8/ 9 with Wasim there the batting doesn't matter. Bumrah is already ahead of Waqar as a bowler for me.
Flower is no where near a good enough wicket keeper for this level, he would literally cost them matches. This is what happens when you place batting that much ahead of the keeper's actual job, honestly he just wasn't good enough.
kyear2
International Coach
First up, want to keep this civil and pleasantly pleased on how it has been this far.
Warne and Murali, the two greatest spinners ever and legitimate match winners. But extremely ordinary vs great players. There's no doubt in my mind that Warne's the weak link for an Aussie attack and against an at India, WI or possibly even SA team, he's being targeted.
Tayfield in my opinion isn't in the same ball park as an Ambrose and Steyn and Marshall and to a slightly lesser extent Hadlee have all proven themselves in all conditions and I believe would fare well in Asia.
Sobers could even throw in a couple overs of leg spin as well on rank turners, and there's Faulkner if you're so inclined.
I know this may not be a popular take, and it's just my opinion.
The final of such a trio would likely be ROW vs the Ashes, and that's the team I'm building to beat.