The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[kyear2]

Garners gotta be there as well

For the bowlers Trueman, Garner, Davidson and Waqar are really close.

Trueman was basically Weekes / Ashwin, Garner was never the no. 1 etc etc.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Assuming the top order remains the same with that team I’d probably bump Sobers to 5 and put Gilly in at 6th. Imran being not that aggressive of a batsman I think you’d want Gilly. But yeah either way you get a keeper who kept to either Warne or Murali.

Yeah, that's also fair. I would prefer Sangakkara as he was the better batsman, though Gilly was better while keeping.

 

[Coronis]

And comeon now, I rate Ponting fairly high. Just think placing him in a separate tier to someone like Waugh, Dravid, Sangakkara or heck Kallis, is mental.

Just like I rate Viv fairly high.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Just like I rate Viv fairly high.

Do you even rate Punter much higher than I do?? I believe you also rate him below Chappell, Kallis and Sangakkara?? Probably only I have Waugh higher, while you do Barrington.

 

[Thala_0710]

ATGs for me (keeping 2 ppl for each position approximately)

Openers:
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Hutton, Sutcliffe

Middle Order:
Bradman, Tendulkar, Lara, Richards, Smith, Hammond

All Rounders:
Sobers, Imran, Kallis, Miller

Keepers:
Gilchrist, Knott

Fast Bowlers
Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Steyn, Ambrose, Akram, Lillee, Donald

Spin Bowlers:
Murali, Warne

 

[Coronis]

Do you even rate Punter much higher than I do?? I believe you also rate him below Chappell, Kallis and Sangakkara?? Probably only I have Waugh higher, while you do Barrington.

Idk where you rank him. Thought you had him below Dravid and others too

 

[capt_Luffy]

Idk where you rank him. Thought you had him below Dravid and others too

Nope, ahead Dravid, but barely.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I don't have two spinners. I said "if" I had 2 spinners.

Hobbs
Grace
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sangakkara+
Sobers
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
Murali

And comeon now, I rate Ponting fairly high. Just think placing him in a separate tier to someone like Waugh, Dravid, Sangakkara or heck Kallis, is mental.

Sanga averaged 40 as a keeper. Also did he ever bat 5?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sanga averaged 40 as a keeper. Also did he ever bat 5?

Then, by Migara logic, he averaged 65 as a MOB and that places him arguably even ahead of Sachin and Sobers ....

 

[ataraxia]

Because Dravid barely makes it. Waugh, the 3 W's, Javed, Barrington, doesn't even make that tier.

But he's surely clearly better than Dravid.

 

[BazBall21]

Not sure Waugh is a tier below Ponting.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not sure Waugh is a tier below Ponting.

Let alone 2.....

 

[BazBall21]

A couple of pages late but Lawry a HTB? He was very prolific away except SAF.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Not sure Waugh is a tier below Ponting.

Easier to make an argument for him being a tier below ponting than for him even being marginally better than ponting imo .

 

[capt_Luffy]

Easier to make an argument for him being a tier below ponting than for him even being marginally better than ponting imo .

At home only, completely ignoring their away record?? Yes.

 

[Coronis]

A couple of pages late but Lawry a HTB? He was very prolific away except SAF.

Compared to Morris or Anwar? Yes, very much a HTB.

 

[BazBall21]

Compared to Morris or Anwar? Yes, very much a HTB.

I don't think so. He has one bad country. Morris and Anwar both lack volume. That isn't Lawry's greatest asset either, but Morris averaged 37 after the first 3 years. Lawry was very good on his first tour of England v Trueman and Statham. Morris' decline coincided with England's recovery from the War.

 

[Coronis]

I don't think so. He has one bad country. Morris and Anwar both lack volume. That isn't Lawry's greatest asset either, but Morris averaged 37 after the first 3 years. Lawry was very good on his first tour of England v Trueman and Statham. Morris' decline coincided with England's recovery from the War.

lol. They may lack volume, but they don’t lack output.

Lawry 69 innings (8 not outs) 2416 runs @ 39.60
Anwar 49 innings (1 not out) 2192 runs @ 45.67
Morris 33 innings (1 not out) 1721 runs @ 53.78

Hell, his already far lower away stats are heavily propped up by his not outs.

If 56/40 doesn’t make you a HTB then I guess we can all stop worrying about KW’s away record.

And Warner is clearly the goat modern opener.

I’m sure you’ll try and claim his record is good in the Windies too.

 

[capt_Luffy]

lol. They may lack volume, but they don’t lack output.

Lawry 69 innings (8 not outs) 2416 runs @ 39.60
Anwar 49 innings (1 not out) 2192 runs @ 45.67
Morris 33 innings (1 not out) 1721 runs @ 53.78

Hell, his already far lower away stats are heavily propped up by his not outs.

If 56/40 doesn’t make you a HTB then I guess we can all stop worrying about KW’s away record.

And Warner is clearly the goat modern opener.

Morris has much much worse home record and played in a much more bowling friendly era.

 

[BazBall21]

lol. They may lack volume, but they don’t lack output.

Lawry 69 innings (8 not outs) 2416 runs @ 39.60
Anwar 49 innings (1 not out) 2192 runs @ 45.67
Morris 33 innings (1 not out) 1721 runs @ 53.78

Hell, his already far lower away stats are heavily propped up by his not outs.

If 56/40 doesn’t make you a HTB then I guess we can all stop worrying about KW’s away record.

And Warner is clearly the goat modern opener.

I’m sure you’ll try and claim his record is good in the Windies too.

Someone who only has one bad country isn't a home bully. There is more nuance in cricket than every batsman either having either terrific away records or being home bullies. Lawry isn't outstanding overseas but he isn't a home bully.

Less sure about Anwar, but Lawry is likely better than someone who averaged 34 after his first 19 tests that were impacted by England's immediate post-war situation.