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Frequent ball change made by England Team

Son Of Coco

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Line and Length said:
A team doesn't change a ball. They point out to the umpire that a ball is out of shape/damaged and it's up to the umpires to approve a change and select a suitable ball. More often than not, they say the ball is OK and no change is necessary.
I recall a time when both batting and bowling sides were shown the replacement alongside the used ball and they could approve or challenge the suitability of the replacement. Perhaps if this was re-introduced there would be no grounds for complaint.
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It makes no sense that this isn't still the case.
 
Son Of Coco

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LangleyburyCCPlayee said:
Well getting rid of a beaten up ball is going to help the team getting rid of it, yes
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I think getting rid of a beaten up ball and replacing it with one that much newer is going to be of greater advantage.

Surely it's up to the home team to provide enough balls of varying age to replace any ball that is changed? If this isn't possible, then there's no way the bowling team should be getting one that is much newer.

If no ball is available that is suitable, the home team should forfeit the match. If it's in England, the entire series, and a 2 year ban should be imposed on all 12 players, team management, catering staff, ground attendants, parking assistants, and anyone living within 5km of the ground.
 
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SillyCowCorner1

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Son Of Coco said:
I think getting rid of a beaten up ball with one that much newer is going to be of greater advantage.

Surely it's up to the home team to provide enough balls of varying age to replace any ball that is changed? If this isn't possible, then there's no way the bowling team should be getting one that is much newer.

If no ball is available that is suitable, the home team should forfeit the match. If it's in England, the entire series, and a 2 year ban should be imposed on all 12 players, team management, catering staff, ground attendants, parking assistants, and anyone living within 5km of the ground.
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Includes, amateur umpire GIMH
 
Son Of Coco

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Spikey said:
Disgusting stuff from the English
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Agreed.

If Cummins was the recipient of a newer ball than the one they were originally using, I am pretty sure he would withdraw his request for a new ball because he wouldn't want to win a game in that manner.
 
Daemon

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This is an NZ/BMac tactic, enabled only by incompetence on the part of admins and umpires.

We see England benefit the most because a) they get rewarded for this tactic so keep doing it and b) they play a ton of matches at home with the Duke which seems to be the ball that loves going out of shape the most. If it keeps up I suppose you’ll see other teams keep doing it too.

No idea how it holds up in WI but they don’t play a lot and the wickets don’t tend to do as much, so it wouldn’t really stick in the mind.
 
Son Of Coco

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Daemon said:
This is an NZ/BMac tactic, enabled only by incompetence on the part of admins and umpires.

We see England benefit the most because a) they get rewarded for this tactic so keep doing it and b) they play a ton of matches at home with the Duke which seems to be the ball that loves going out of shape the most. If it keeps up I suppose you’ll see other teams keep doing it too.

No idea how it holds up in WI but they don’t play a lot and the wickets don’t tend to do as much, so it wouldn’t really stick in the mind.
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I don't think we can let England off the hook here given they also pioneered running off the field every 15 minutes for a shower (oh, the irony!), and Murray Mint use. There are a litany of other abuses too. The list is much too long to add here, but we all know what I am talking about.
 
Apex Predator

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Lol Umpires told them they didn't had old enough balls to replace... Whatta farce :laugh:
This win should have asterisk attached to it

"It looked like they were running out of plans but unfortunately the ball was changed," Mathews told Sky Sports before the start of the fourth day's play. "We were told they didn't have old enough balls to replace. It changed the entire momentum of the game. You work so hard to get rid of that shine, and we did that. Once the ball was changed, it was a whole different game."



Though England would only go on to take one more wicket before the close, they did create a host of chances with the replacement ball. Mathews (on 65) and Kamindu (39) were dropped by Joe Root and Gus Atkinson at first slip and gully respectively, both off the bowling of Matthew Potts. The extra movement into the left-handers also saw two lbw decisions go in Woakes' favour, only for reviews to find inside edges from Milan Rathnayake and Kamindu, who remained unbeaten overnight on 56.



Coincidentally, Woakes was also the main beneficiary of last season's controversial ball change during the fifth and final Ashes Test at the Kia Oval, which turned a tense final innings England's way to secure a 2-2 series draw. Australia opener Usman Khawaja queried the switch to a newer, harder ball at the time, which did not reflect the one that had been in use for the previous 37 overs.
 
Line and Length

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Son Of Coco said:
I don't think we can let England off the hook here given they also pioneered running off the field every 15 minutes for a shower (oh, the irony!), and Murray Mint use. There are a litany of other abuses too. The list is much too long to add here, but we all know what I am talking about.
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If I recall, D.K. Lillee pioneered that.

If there aren't enough suitable old balls to replace a damaged ball, perhaps the umpires could rough up a newer ball (dare I suggest sandpaper?) until it more closely resembles the damaged ball. When I was playing we had a badly damaged ball and requested a replacement. We produced several options and the umpire scuffed up one on the pitch until it matched the ball with the split seam. Both captains then approved of the replacement.
 
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