capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
That's the problem really. The ****er just found an obscure rule from like the Triassic Period like a proper scumbag of an attorney. Technically not cheating, but then again technically Azhar is not a fixer.
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Ponting Vs Gavaskar
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
No they aren't. Stop nostalgia jerking.
Coronis
International Coach
Underarm bowling has still been legal longer than overarm or round arm bowling.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, from the Triassic. They forgot to update the balance patch
Coronis
International Coach
Not his fault. Not cheating either. Besides, Hadlee and McGrath both bowled underarm too. Well McGrath pretended to but still.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Come on man, everyone hates Greg. Can't you hate him a bit more? He is too big a jerk to get any love.
Coronis
International Coach
Nah I’ve always hated Ian. Plus I rate him as the best bat of his time so I’ve got to fully support the bloke.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Well then, let's agree to disagree on how much hate he should get. Don't worry, I will hate him more to make up for the lack of hats from you.
kyear2
International Coach
And Gavaskar is in a higher tier to Chappell?
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
If Viv is then so is Gavaskar. Though honestly, Chappell has some decent arguments to be on that tier, but his English record isn't as Great and his SC numbers are pumped by a single double ton in a flat pancake Pakistani road without Imran.
kyear2
International Coach
Higher if not equal.
kyear2
International Coach
Do you understand that SC records didn't mean nearly as much back then as they do today?
From a peer rating perspective and historical perspective, Viv is held way above Sunny.
Chappell is close, very close and it's between those two for second best of that era. Well 3rd, if Barry is included.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Chappell was a complete player tbh. On ability, I’d have him higher than Gavaskar and Ponting. His longevity holds him back a bit though.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Disagree on all 3 counts. Let's go one by one.
India had Bedi-Chandra-Prasanna-Venkat at home. The best spinning attack by a gazillion at that time, arguably ever. Bedi, Chandra and especially Prasanna did really well in their Aussie tour. It was a very far thing from easy runs in India, especially at middle order. Pakistan had Imran, who had well developed his reverse swing and was fuming, alongside excellent home bowlers in Qadir and Nawaz.
Viv is held above by peer ratings in general. Way or not, or if even at all, depends on who you ask. And again, peer ratings is a highly flawed method of judgement, I only use them for players who are old enough to not be properly evaluated by stats.
Chappell is close, not very close. There is a small but well present gulf between these two. On Barry, love him but think ranking him this high is makes less sense than ranking Procter the 2nd Greatest cricketer. Yes, I have seen your reasons and yes I think most are trash, you follow them because you want to believe in Barry and have an attacking high tier opener.
kyear2
International Coach
I find the cheating allegation to be rich though. More than a little interesting.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2
International Coach
Think was yesterday I was asked for a top 10, and I suggested that behind my top 8, Chappell and yes, Barry (based on talent) was being considered for the next two.
The only argument that could be used against Chappell could be longevity, but that's neither here nor there for me beyond a certain point.
I would say equal, if I were to choose one as a batsman, the only differentiator would be Sunny is the rarer great opener, as cricketers, Chappell.
Same tier for me, and would imagine most on the forum.
kyear2
International Coach
I was aware of what you were speaking.
I find that focusing on a one off event vs an entire career of actually painting outside the lines, it is an interesting hill to die on when you ignore the other.