Ponting Vs Gavaskar

[capt_Luffy]

Lillee's wasn't as well?

And that's dragged to the very ground here, to the point we have started to underrate him. He also has an ATG record in England, unlike Chappell. And Lillee wouldn't had faced a huge challenge in India, Chappell would had

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Even ignoring everything else, I don't know if I will place Smith and Kohli in the same tier really

Yeah ignore the active players. Need to see how their careers end. Smith could end up have a bad decline so don’t want to put him in the top tier yet.

 

[kyear2]

Tier 1 ATG - Tendulkar, Sobers, Viv, Lara

Tier 2 ATG - Gavaskar, Chappell, Smith, Kallis, Ponting, Sangakkara, Border, Waugh, Dravid, Kohli, De Villiers

Most won’t agree with De Villiers but I think he was as good as Sachin/Viv/Lara at his best

Know your thoughts on Hobbs, but no Hutton or Smith in tier 1?

 

[kyear2]

Yeah ignore the active players. Need to see how their careers end. Smith could end up have a bad decline so don’t want to put him in the top tier yet.

Ignore the following post, this one answered it.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Know your thoughts on Hobbs, but no Hutton or Smith in tier 1?

I was focusing mainly on players from the last 60 years. I guess Hobbs would go in tier 1 and maybe Hutton and Hammond in tier 2.

Not really sure though. Don’t have a strong opinion on these older players.

 

[kyear2]

I was focusing mainly on players from the last 60 years. I guess Hobbs would go in tier 1 and maybe Hutton and Hammond in tier 2.

Not really sure though. Don’t have a strong opinion on these older players.

There's footage of Hutton though. He faced O'Reilly, Lindwall, Miller, the West Indian mystery spinners etc. He played vs Bradman and probably overlapped with Sobers...

 

[PlayerComparisons]

There's footage of Hutton though. He faced O'Reilly, Lindwall, Miller, the West Indian mystery spinners etc. He played vs Bradman and probably overlapped with Sobers...

Would you put him in tier 1?

 

[kyear2]

Would you put him in tier 1?

I have him in that slight sub tier with Lara and Smith.

Tier one talents, but don't believe quite in best after Bradman conversation.

I can't make an argument that he / they are the second best ever.

 

[sayon basak]

Ponting averaged like 57-58 in his first 100 tests and then ended up with an average of 52. Smith has been real silent since he realized this

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Ponting averaged like 57-58 in his first 100 tests and then ended up with an average of 52. Smith has been real silent since he realized this

Dravid averaged 65 away from home after around 105 tests. Smith averages like 50 away from home atm.

 

[sayon basak]

Dravid averaged 65 away from home after around 105 tests. Smith averages like 50 away from home atm.

Dravid's average is 53 away from home. Steve Smith also averages 53 away from home. He could end up ruining his record if he fails as an opener.

 

[Xix2565]

Gavaskar easily. Like there is no question.

 

[OverratedSanity]

But Chappell is higher than Gavaskar.

Ew

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yes, Kohli is around the same level as Ponting. Of Gavaskar, he isn't and 2-3 years I hardly believe is capable of changing that. The highest I can see him is around Chappell level.

Even more ew

 

[subshakerz]

Viv and Gavaskar were like the Tendulkar and Lara of their eras, and correspondingly somewhat behind their 90s counterparts

No. Viv was much higher rated.

 

[ankitj]

Gavaskar clearly

 

[kyear2]

No. Viv was much higher rated.

Much.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

No. Viv was much higher rated.

Rated much higher sure. But I mean in a more objective assessment, not in peer assessment where you are right Sachin and Lara were neck to neck, and Viv seen as the best player of his era. But Viv is a top 5 batter of all time like SRT(a bit lower than him tho), and Gavaskar is a top 9-10 bat, and Lara is number 7/8 on my lists.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Rated much higher sure. But I mean in a more objective assessment, not in peer assessment where you are right Sachin and Lara were neck to neck, and Viv seen as the best player of his era. But Viv is a top 5 batter of all time like SRT(a bit lower than him tho), and Gavaskar is a top 9-10 bat, and Lara is number 7/8 on my lists.

The Sachin/Lara comp seemed pretty fair to me. Most people rate Viv a bit below Sachin and Gavaskar a bit below Lara. Their peer reviews might not exactly be comparable, but that has more to do with Sachin and Lara beginning at the same time and the former going on to play for 7 more years with another great peak. And also, the batting style.

 

[sayon basak]

How did he cheat?

By being an Australian obviously.