The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Qlder]

You have to draw a line somewhere though otherwise Ryan Harris is playing in the Aus ATG XI. And Mitch Johnson is ahead of McGrath and Hadlee

I'm talking about players that had a significant career and then declined because they played on too long thus destroying their averages (Botham, Viv, Ponting, even Tendulker).

Harris and Johnson never did that, they just had some better periods of form during their career like most players do

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm talking about players that had a significant career and then declined because they played on too long thus destroying their averages (Botham, Viv, Ponting, even Tendulker).

Harris and Johnson never did that, they just had some better periods of form during their career like most players do

Yeah exactly, so you have drawn a line somewhere

 

[Qlder]

ATG's that should have retired at least 2 years earlier (averages in final 2 years)

1. Greenidge (14T, 744 runs @ 32.34)
2. Sehwag (17T, 892 runs @ 29.73)
3. Ponting (19T, 1067 runs @ 32.33)
4. Richards (13T, 691 runs @ 36.36)
5. Tendulker (17T, 835 runs @ 30.92)
6. Botham (5T, 81r @ 13.50, 7w @ 35.00)
7. Marsh (17T, 407 runs @ 18.50)
8. Hall (7T, 18 wkts @ 40.00)
9. Lillee (11T, 34 wkts @ 33.20)
10. Qadir (10T, 20 wkts @ 46.95)
11. Steyn (8T, 22 wkts @ 35.18)

 

[ataraxia]

ATG's that should have retired at least 2 years earlier (averages in final 2 years)

1. Greenidge (14T, 744 runs @ 32.34)
2. Sehwag (17T, 892 runs @ 29.73)
3. Ponting (19T, 1067 runs @ 32.33)
4. Richards (13T, 691 runs @ 36.36)
5. Tendulker (17T, 835 runs @ 30.92)
6. Botham (5T, 81r @ 13.50, 7w @ 35.00)
7. Marsh (17T, 407 runs @ 18.50)
8. Hall (7T, 18 wkts @ 40.00)
9. Lillee (11T, 34 wkts @ 33.20)
10. Qadir (10T, 20 wkts @ 46.95)
11. Steyn (8T, 22 wkts @ 35.18)

A few of those like Viv look like they still had net-positive figures for their team tbf.

 

[CricketFan90s]

If Botham Retired in 1986 from Tests his record could have been better : 366 Wickets at an average of 27.05 and total 5 wickets remains at 27.

 

[bagapath]

If Botham Retired in 1986 from Tests his record could have been better : 366 Wickets at an average of 27.05 and total 5 wickets remains at 27.

for the record, that is more wickets in the same number of tests as Imran Khan

88

4809

208

35.36

14

366

8/34

27.04

27

103

 

[capt_Luffy]

for the record, that is more wickets in the same number of tests as Imran Khan

88

4809

208

35.36

14

366

8/34

27.04

27

103

5 runs worse average though

 

[Qlder]

A few of those like Viv look like they still had net-positive figures for their team tbf.

Yes, still good for team but Richards was averaging 55-60 most of his career so down to 36 in last 2 years was a huge drop off for his own record

 

[CricketFan90s]

5 runs worse average though

Botham Scored 6 Centuries outside England and Imran Scored 3 Centuries outside Pakistan.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Botham Scored 6 Centuries outside England and Imran Scored 3 Centuries outside Pakistan.

?? As bowlers???
Botham is a better bat than Imran is almost universally accepted I believe.

 

[CricketFan90s]

?? As bowlers???
Botham is a better bat than Imran is almost universally accepted I believe.

But only Kapil Dev had the better record against West Indies but didn’t do well against England.

 

[capt_Luffy]

But only Kapil Dev had the better record against West Indies but didn’t do well against England.

Imran Khan also had a better record again WI, as did Hadlee. Botham actually had quite a poor record against WI.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Imran Khan also had a better record again WI, as did Hadlee. Botham actually had quite a poor record against WI.

West Indies used to play more aggressively while facing England.

 

[TheJediBrah]

West Indies used to play more aggressively while facing England.

The imperialist scum deserved it am I right

 

[CricketFan90s]

The imperialist scum deserved it am I right

I look at Europe (particularly England) like a Coin - One Side of the Coin is Imperialist Scum as you said and other side of the coin the place where Scientific Advancement took place rapidly in 19th and 20th century. So its difficult to say if their legacy is positive or negative but definitely they were the driving force.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's deep man

 

[CricketFan90s]

Kapil Dev
Bowling

Vs West Indies

1978-1989

25

41

773.1

168

2216

89

9/83

10/135

24.89

2.86

52.1

4

1

In West Indies

1983-1989

9

13

300.4

63

809

35

6/84

8/118

23.11

2.69

51.5

2

0

Batting

Vs West Indies

1978-1989

25

39

4

1079

126*

30.82

3

4

4

In West Indies

1983-1989

9

14

2

345

100*

28.75

1

1

1

Imran Khan
Bowling

Vs West Indies

1977-1990

18

29

3488

1695

80

7/80

11/121

21.18

2.91

43.6

6

1

In West Indies

1977-1988

8

16

2196

1206

48

7/80

11/121

25.12

3.29

45.7

3

1

Batting

Vs West Indies

1977-1990

18

33

5

775

123

27.67

1

3

2

In West Indies

1977-1988

8

15

1

305

47

21.78

0

0

0

Richard Hadlee
Bowling

Vs West Indies

1980-1987

10

19

2506

1124

51

6/50

11/102

22.03

2.69

49.1

4

1

In West Indies

1985-1985

4

7

858

409

15

4/53

4/68

27.26

2.86

57.2

0

0

Batting

Vs West Indies

1980-1987

10

15

3

389

103

32.41

1

1

1

In West Indies

1985-1985

4

7

1

137

39*

22.83

0

0

0

Who had a better all-round performance against West Indies ?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kapil Dev
Bowling

Vs West Indies

1978-1989

25

41

773.1

168

2216

89

9/83

10/135

24.89

2.86

52.1

4

1

In West Indies

1983-1989

9

13

300.4

63

809

35

6/84

8/118

23.11

2.69

51.5

2

0

Batting

Vs West Indies

1978-1989

25

39

4

1079

126*

30.82

3

4

4

In West Indies

1983-1989

9

14

2

345

100*

28.75

1

1

1

Imran Khan
Bowling

Vs West Indies

1977-1990

18

29

3488

1695

80

7/80

11/121

21.18

2.91

43.6

6

1

In West Indies

1977-1988

8

16

2196

1206

48

7/80

11/121

25.12

3.29

45.7

3

1

Batting

Vs West Indies

1977-1990

18

33

5

775

123

27.67

1

3

2

In West Indies

1977-1988

8

15

1

305

47

21.78

0

0

0

Richard Hadlee
Bowling

Vs West Indies

1980-1987

10

19

2506

1124

51

6/50

11/102

22.03

2.69

49.1

4

1

In West Indies

1985-1985

4

7

858

409

15

4/53

4/68

27.26

2.86

57.2

0

0

Batting

Vs West Indies

1980-1987

10

15

3

389

103

32.41

1

1

1

In West Indies

1985-1985

4

7

1

137

39*

22.83

0

0

0

Who had a better all-round performance against West Indies ?

Imran Khan was easily the better bowler but Kapil Dev was also great and had some genuinely good innings vs them.... Also am pretty shocked seeing Hadlee actually averaged 30+ against them. Definitely very close, especially between the first two.

 

[CricketFan90s]

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