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Five to do it all
Allrounders who could bat, bowl and sometimes field their sides to victory
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and Stewart ahead of Prior?How do you have Thorpe ahead of Joe Root
What makes you feel that root is better than Thorpe ?How do you have Thorpe ahead of Joe Root
Stewart was better. He faced some of the best bowlers of all time and Wasim Akram rates him one of the best he faced. Stewart was also the highest run scorer in 90s.and Stewart ahead of Prior?
Stewart was a part-time keeper and top quality opener. Pick him as an opener or don't pick him.Stewart was better. He faced some of the best bowlers of all time and Wasim Akram rates him one of the best he faced. Stewart was also the highest run scorer in 90s.
Alec StewartStewart was a part-time keeper and top quality opener. Pick him as an opener or don't pick him.
Is Designated Keeper | 1991-2003 | 82 | 145 | 15 | 4540 | 173 | 34.92 | 9135 | 49.69 | 6 | 23 | 11 | 601 | 10 |
6th Position | 1990-2003 | 29 | 44 | 3 | 1421 | 123 | 34.65 | 2951 | 48.15 | 1 | 11 | 4 | 178 | 1 |
Is Designated Keeper | 2007-2014 | 79 | 123 | 21 | 4099 | 131* | 40.18 | 6647 | 61.66 | 7 | 28 | 13 | 492 | 16 |
7th Position | 2007-2014 | 61 | 82 | 14 | 2787 | 126* | 40.98 | 4553 | 61.21 | 4 | 20 | 8 | 334 | 11 |
I want a good 5th bowler in Flintoff compared to Stokes, Thorpe was a good batsmen of spin and was praised for playing murali effectively in Srilanka, Stewart for being able to face quality bowling.I would have Root for Thorpe, Stokes for Flintoff, and Prior for Stewart.
Stokes would also be the captain.
5th Position | 1995-2005 | 52 | 78 | 18 | 3373 | 200* | 56.21 | 7292 | 46.25 | 10 | 18 | 3 | 394 | 7 |
I know you don't like Imran man but is that really justification for injuring him out of the side?Top 20 Batsman
Bradman
Tendulkar
Sobers
Hobbs
Richards
Smith
Lara
Hutton
Gavaskar
Ponting
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Kallis
Chappell
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Border
Sangakkara
Sutcliffe
Pollock
Waugh
Dravid
Top 16 bowlers
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Warne
Muralitharan
Ambrose
Imran
Donald
Lillee
O'Reilly
Wasim
Garner
Trueman
Holding
Davidson
Top 12 Slip fielders
Hammond
Simpson
Sobers
Chappell
Taylor
Waugh
Ponting
Richardson
Hooper
Kallis
Lloyd
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Top 10 all rounders
Sobers
Imran
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Gilchrist
Miller
Botham
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Pollock
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Top 8 Captains
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Taylor
Flemming
Worrell
Jardine
Lloyd
Imran
All Time XI & Squad
Sir John Hobbs
Barry Richards^
Sir Donald Bradman*
Sir. I. V. A. Richards^
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Garfield Sobers^(5)
Adam Gilchrist +
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Shane Warne (4)
Dale Steyn (3)
Glenn McGrath (2)
Sir Leonard Hutton
Brian Lara
Sir Richard Hadlee
Muttiah Muralitharan
Injured reserves
Imran Khan
Jacques Kallis
Allan Knott
Top 25 cricketers of All Time
Tier 1
Bradman / Sobers / Marshall / Hobbs / Hadlee / McGrath / Tendulkar / Richards
Tier 2
Warne / Imran / Steyn / Muralitharan / Smith / Lara / Hammond / Kallis / Hutton / Gilchrist / Ambrose / Gavaskar / O'Reilly / Ponting / Wasim / Chappell / Headley
Make the argument to convince me.I know you don't like Imran man but is that really justification for injuring him out of the side?
Two points:Make the argument to convince me.
100% straight up.
Yes Imran potentially makes the team balance perfect (similar to Hammond really), but think Steyn (similar to Sachin) is comfortably the better bowler.
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Well done and I want to respond, not counter mind you... But it's 1 am and I want to to think through it properly.Two points:
- it requires a very precise methodology of rating bowlers so as to balance consideration of peak (a criterion by which Imran is easily superior to Steyn) and consideration of longevity (a criterion by which Imran is easily superior to Steyn) in such a manner that Steyn is better than Imran. I don't mean to say it's impossible or illogical to think so, by any means, but I don't believe that the ~80% of CW who rate Steyn above Imran are so homogenous in their rating of players (though I acknowledge alleged ball-tampering / favourable home umpiring – both of which, I must say, didn't exactly seem to help any of Imran's colleagues – weighting of strike rate v. economy, and one's opinion of a well-balanced attack are complicating factors).
- if you do think Steyn > Imran as a bowler, you must think that the difference between them is sizeable because at the absolute minimum the batting advantage Imran has over Steyn is 8 runs an innings and 16 runs a match, which is coincidentally precisely what Simpson's slipping advantage was calculated to be. While individual batters are less important than individual bowlers and therefore secondary disciplines are less important for bowlers, on the other hand that Simpson calculation did have at its head the unlikely (and proven wrong) assumption that Simpson was a perfect catcher.
Second Team Which can Beat Your TeamTop 20 Batsman
Bradman
Tendulkar
Sobers
Hobbs
Richards
Smith
Lara
Hutton
Gavaskar
Ponting
Hammond
Kallis
Chappell
Headley
Border
Sangakkara
Sutcliffe
Pollock
Waugh
Dravid
Top 16 bowlers
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Warne
Muralitharan
Ambrose
Imran
Donald
Lillee
O'Reilly
Wasim
Garner
Trueman
Holding
Davidson
Top 12 Slip fielders
Hammond
Simpson
Sobers
Chappell
Taylor
Waugh
Ponting
Richardson
Hooper
Kallis
Lloyd
Dravid
Top 10 all rounders
Sobers
Imran
Kallis
Gilchrist
Miller
Botham
Hadlee
Pollock
Jadeja
Kapil
Top 8 Captains
Benaud
Ranatunga
Taylor
Flemming
Worrell
Jardine
Lloyd
Imran
All Time XI & Squad
Sir John Hobbs
Barry Richards^
Sir Donald Bradman*
Sir. I. V. A. Richards^
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Garfield Sobers^(5)
Adam Gilchrist +
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Shane Warne (4)
Dale Steyn (3)
Glenn McGrath (2)
Sir Leonard Hutton
Brian Lara
Sir Richard Hadlee
Muttiah Muralitharan
Injured reserves
Imran Khan
Jacques Kallis
Allan Knott
Top 25 cricketers of All Time
Tier 1
Bradman / Sobers / Marshall / Hobbs / Hadlee / McGrath / Tendulkar / Richards
Tier 2
Warne / Imran / Steyn / Muralitharan / Smith / Lara / Hammond / Kallis / Hutton / Gilchrist / Ambrose / Gavaskar / O'Reilly / Ponting / Wasim / Chappell / Headley
Usually was banned for a match at a time, when caught, which was rareLet's not pretend Steyn was not the beneficiary of ball tampering. It's just than in his day ball tampering was done by a designated person who was not the bowler. Didn't a certain player come up to front tampering charges a few times and always get off scott free (not banned) to continue the practice?
Better at home, better away, scores tons and fifties more often.Alec Stewart
Is Designated Keeper 1991-2003 82 145 15 4540 173 34.92 9135 49.69 6 23 11 601 10 Matt Prior
6th Position 1990-2003 29 44 3 1421 123 34.65 2951 48.15 1 11 4 178 1
Is Designated Keeper 2007-2014 79 123 21 4099 131* 40.18 6647 61.66 7 28 13 492 16
7th Position 2007-2014 61 82 14 2787 126* 40.98 4553 61.21 4 20 8 334 11