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Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Socerer 01 said:
it does matter when you’re doing a direct comparison between them and the vast majority of players from the past who never had to contend with something like that
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They did contend with way more 1st class cricket though, and for the bowlers way heavier work loads in said competitions.
Every era had their unique challenges, Hobbs had sticky wickets and no protection, not to add long ass boat rides and tours and huge boundaries and what can only be called sticks compared to what they bat with today.

Give it a break, these are the good days.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
_00_deathscar said:
I would understand nostalgia for the 90s, or for a few the 80s etc

But some of that nostalgia is for some guy in the 1920s there’s barely any clips of and no one really watched play
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There's quite a bit of footage available of Bradman, Hammond, Hutton, even Hobbs, though less so.
 
Burgey

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We're talking about people who are to be included as the best 50 batsmen of all time not a list of plodders. Come on.
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
kyear2 said:
They did contend with way more 1st class cricket though, and for the bowlers way heavier work loads in said competitions.
Every era had their unique challenges, Hobbs had sticky wickets and no protection, not to add long ass boat rides and tours and huge boundaries and what can only be called sticks compared to what they bat with today.

Give it a break, these are the good days.
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most of what you’ve said have been cited everytime there’s any discussion about older players, some of which are not even factors when they universally affected everyone back then

the only relevant thing talked about for current players is it being a bowling era and half the place disregards it anyway with the good circular logic of “everyone is ****”, where’s the other equivalents??
 
Line and Length

Line and Length

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Burgey said:
We're talking about people who are to be included as the best 50 batsmen of all time not a list of plodders. Come on.
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ROOT: Excellent in England, New Zealand, South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies; Very Good in India; Fair Plodder in Australia.

Conceded. Others have poor records in specific countries. Root struggles in just one. He is in the lower echelon of the Top 50 - unlike Ponting who ranks # 13 in our poll despite having a poor 14 Test record in India (well below Root's record in Oz).
 
B

Bolo.

International Captain
Burgey said:
Yes it is. People are ranking him in the top 50 batsmen of all time and he's averaging in the 30s in the benchmark country for touring players which is also his most important rival. And he's doing it after 14 tests and without a ton. It's laughable he's being considered for inclusion in this list.

Ponting was woeful in India but at least he had one 50+ average series there and managed a ton as he went on. Root's numbers in Australia are the batting equivalent of Murali's bowling here, and they aren't getting any better. His last tour he averaged 30 someting and he's meant to be in his prime ffs. Just deplorable. Wouldn't give you two bob for him.

Watched him play against Aus for over a decade and never felt in the least bit threatened by him as an Australian supporter. At best he's a bloke who might jag a ton at home against you but for the most part will just get out in his usual ways for moderate outputs. Barely give him a second's thought as an opponent (or person, come to that) worthy of respect, let alone wariness.

Spud

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He has been pretty poor. But two of his tours were when he was very young, and you have to respect how good the Indian attack has been
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
centurymaker said:
Out of his 100 tests, he's played exactly 50 tests vs Aus, Ind, Eng and SA (top 4 teams)

But he averages just 38.91 from 50 tests against these top teams.

Only 11 of his 32 hundreds have come in these 50 tests.
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That means, what, he averages 71 against the others? GOAT.
 
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Fuller Pilch

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Line and Length said:
ROOT: Excellent in England, New Zealand, South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies; Very Good in India; Fair Plodder in Australia.

Conceded. Others have poor records in specific countries. Root struggles in just one. He is in the lower echelon of the Top 50 - unlike Ponting who ranks # 13 in our poll despite having a poor 14 Test record in India (well below Root's record in Oz).
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I daresay if Root had a better conversion rate, he'd be higher in the poll. Getting 2 70s is better for your average than a 100 and a 20, but people remember the 100s.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
In reply to @Coronis about why Barry Richards gets mentioned & not Procter. Can't find the post now 😁

Yeah, agreed Procter was a genuine world class player of any era. Same contemporary respect. Was just watching a Boycott masterclass on batting time & he just randomly brings up when he faced Procter.

Although I do wonder if Procter's batting is rated higher than it should be. Great for Gloucestershire and 5 centuries for Rhodesia in Division 2 Currie Cup. With 5 Division 1 100s which is still decent as in mid to late 60s it was often only 6 games and then the 70s 8 games + final in a season. But no doubt his batting had x-factor. And his bowling.
 
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